Quote from danowat :

@aoun, are you a hairdresser?

He would take an MX-5 for sure then! (the new one, not the old one, the old one is cool)

Quote from sam93 :

It has other metals mixed in. I will ask her again tonight, see what she says about them, I am shore she said alloy wheels because she was also going on about car wings, I think.

Thought she said car wings what aren't just aluminium, I don't know if all car panels are like this but ours are, well it says they are and she said they are not as a magnet will stick to them, made me sound like a bit of a twat but at least I got it right that alloy wheels have to different metals mixed in lol. I find it a bit funny that I got mixed up about the 2.

Quote from ajp71 :

Maybe because they're copper plated?

=) That thar be the reason =)



I think Edmunds sum these cars up properly.. "...in French etymology, which reveals that "MR2" pronounced phonetically en francais sounds like the word for…excrement..." =P So in France these cars are only called MR.

Seriously though they seem good cars, just hope you have another car to get groceries or to do any errands in because you won't get much of anything in that car. Could have a bit more power I suppose, but with MR maybe less power is a good thing.

Quote from ajp71 :

Maybe because they're copper plated?

No, they used to use actual copper in them, but they haven't for years only found out the other day. Obviously for health and safety reasons they changed it. I know that it was copper because my step mum said if you weighed in a old 1p coin what was actual copper it wouldn't even be worth 1p it will be worth less.

Quote from sam93 :

No, they used to use actual copper in them, but they haven't for years only found out the other day. Obviously for health and safety reasons they changed it. I know that it was copper because my step mum said if you weighed in a old 1p coin what was actual copper it wouldn't even be worth 1p it will be worth less.

Whoever gave you that information is wrong. They are copper-plated steel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4900524.stm

They were copper, many many many years ago, but have been copper plated for years.

My advice: ignore everything your step-mum says about metallic stuff, because she's wrong (or your misunderstand it).

Quote from tristancliffe :

They were copper, many many many years ago, but have been copper plated for years.

My advice: ignore everything your step-mum says about metallic stuff, because she's wrong (or your misunderstand it).

I mostly misunderstood it, she certainly knows her metals and if anyone seen her in person they wouldn't argue with her other the types of metals what are in them.

Well thanks for saying they were copper was what I said but Christopher Raemisch must of read my post wrong as I said they used to made with copper but no longer.

Quote from sam93 :

Just had to say alloy wheels ain't actually alluminium, forgot what metal is actually in them but it's not ally, my step mum was telling me and I don't think anyone would argue with her over her metals as she works in a scrap yard.
Well it ain't pour aly anyway because it is mixed with other metals, I think she said you can stick a magnet to them and aly isn't magnetic. I know it isn't anything to do with the subject thought I would just say.

An alloy is a mixture of metals. Alloy wheels a mixture of metals, normally including aluminium.

Lol thanks for some of the opinions guys, especially the hairdresser facts

No, I'm not a hairdresser, but it doesnt mean i cant cut hair with a normal pair of scissors.

Seriously though, is it worth it? And are there better cars around that range (i know there should be) that would be better to get?

Quote from ajp71 :

A lot of serious competition wheels are magnesium alloys anyway so you can't even assume an alloy car wheel will contain aluminum.

surely those are prohibitively expensive for road use arent they?
that asside i guess i could call my pro racing steel rims alloys in the uk... suppose thats why countries with longer car engineering backgrounds call them "alloys" alu wheels

Quote from tristancliffe :

You'll have a lot of fun embarassing owners of 'faster, more macho' cars without even trying, whilst they drive slowly, badly and dangerously - Evos, Imprezas, Boxsters - all easy meat for the small car like an MR2 (although the Evo/Impreza/Boxster crowd will immediately claim it's not possible in a poor attempt to justify wasting their money on something).

wait what? a boxster is a macho car?

Quote from sam93 :

Well thanks for saying they were copper was what I said but Christopher Raemisch must of read my post wrong as I said they used to made with copper but no longer.

They ARE made with copper, just something around 1-5% of what they normally were, they are COPPER plated which means the outside is still 100% copper or a type of copper alloy, by definition copper MUST be present...

Quote from Shotglass :

wait what? a boxster is a macho car?

It´s all relative. Compared to an MX5...

Quote from Shotglass :

... wait what? a boxster is a macho car?

You mean cockster

Quote from Christopher Raemisch :

They ARE made with copper, just something around 1-5% of what they normally were, they are COPPER plated which means the outside is still 100% copper or a type of copper alloy, by definition copper MUST be present...

I am not argueing about it know, no offence to anyone but someone who handles metals all day and that scrappy meanly handles copper would know whats in it, yes there are facts on the net, but I am not getting into a arguement over a petty so, lets leave it at that.

magnesium alloy wheels are a pretty common option from dealerships so they must not be that expensive.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Evos, Imprezas, Boxsters - all easy meat for the small car like an MR2 (although the Evo/Impreza/Boxster crowd will immediately claim it's not possible in a poor attempt to justify wasting their money on something).

I would class the Boxster as a proper hairdressers car, it's exactly not the car bought by those typical muppets because it doesn't have a thousand brake horsepower, four wheel drive and a supercomputer. It's also not bought by the golf club brigade because they have to immediately start explaining why they didn't buy a 911, despite the fact it makes a far better, stiffer and lighter soft top.

Quote from Shotglass :

surely those are prohibitively expensive for road use arent they?

Some road cars do offer them (such as the Corvette IIRC) but on a typically heavy weight modern road car they're about as intelligent as ceramic brakes on DOT4. For racing they're not cheap, a new set of single piece magnesium wheels is around £3000. They're much lighter than split rim steel rims, which is what most people use in club single seater racing, but they're also a lot more expensive, potentially got structural issues as they age and being single piece and magnesium if you bend them you pretty much have no option but to buy new ones, where with steel split rims you typically only have to spend maybe £300 to get the piece you need to replace and being steel people don't run away at the suggestion of repairing them.

And whats wrong with DOT4 ajp?

Nothing. But why bother with ceramic brakes if you're going to boil the fluid almost instantly? Or did you not read all the words in the sentence?

Well as far as i was aware castrol srf is DOT4 and is rated as one of the best (if not the best) brake fluids you can by.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/ ... =MSPORT&pcode=CAS1767

ED: Motul rbf600 gets good reviews aswell (also dot4)

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/ ... PORT&pcode=MOT8069/HB

Would anyone care to explain or give me a list of those-called hairdresser's cars?
I think I can't get the real sense of the expression, but I'm afraid may I change my ocuppation as each time you refer to a car as a hairdresser one it's one car I would love to drive

By the way... a few weeks ago I've test driven a new MX-5 (2.0 160 bhp) and I must say it's an awesome handling car, one of the bests (if not the best) I've driven ever, try to test one before buying the MR2, it's cheaper and it may worth it

Quote from andybarsblade :

And whats wrong with DOT4 ajp?

On the road, nothing, it won't freeze which is why racing fluid is illegal on the road and if you don't use the brakes hard it's fine for track days. If you don't know you've got DOT4 in a car which you're used to and expecting to be able to brake hard though you will have a big accident, I know someone who once accidentally put DOT4 in his Jedi, needless to say he had a big accident when he suddenly found he had no brakes after a lap or so. Large ceramic brakes will be of no advantage with DOT4, in fact they might even be worse seeing as you'll never get them up to temperature before your fluid boils.

DOT4 fluid boils at 230°C dry, so it cannot be 'one of the best fluids money can buy'. DOT5.1 boild at 270°C, and it's considered rubbish for anything in a racing environment.

The brake fluid you quoted is not DOT4. In fact I doubt it's DOT rated, but if it is, it will get a lower rating because of increase hydroscopic action.

Quote from tristancliffe :

DOT4 fluid boils at 230°C dry, so it cannot be 'one of the best fluids money can buy'. DOT5.1 boild at 270°C, and it's considered rubbish for anything in a racing environment.

The brake fluid you quoted is not DOT4. In fact I doubt it's DOT rated, but if it is, it will get a lower rating because of increase hydroscopic action.

muhahaha I've got you it's hygroscopic (sorry Tristan)

Quote from andybarsblade :

Well as far as i was aware castrol srf is DOT4 and is rated as one of the best (if not the best) brake fluids you can by.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/ ... =MSPORT&pcode=CAS1767

That quotes a wet boiling point of 500°f (over 260°c), DOT4 requires a dry boiling point of 230°c either Demon Tweaks have made a monumental advertising cock up and got them confused or it definitely isn't standard DOT4

It might actually be DOT5 with a dry boiling point of 260°c which isn't DOT4 but still nothing like the claim.

Quote from tristancliffe :

DOT4 fluid boils at 230°C dry, so it cannot be 'one of the best fluids money can buy'. DOT5.1 boild at 270°C, and it's considered rubbish for anything in a racing environment.

The brake fluid you quoted is not DOT4. In fact I doubt it's DOT rated, but if it is, it will get a lower rating because of increase hydroscopic action.

What IS the deal with DOT5? I heard it has really good resistance to compressibility and heat resistance, but because it's silicon based if there is any water in the system at all it will separate and give you a boiling point of 100degrees =)

I have also heard that it damages seals, especially in a system that has already had Dot3 or dot4. You know anything else or any information I have inaccurate?