I bought Rfactor to get Le Mans track and the nordschleife.
The nordschleife chrashed my pc, and I lost sound of the car in the second try on Le Mans.

Its nearly 6 months ago, I last started Rfactor.

To much trouble

EDIT :
If you like pain. REALLY like pain I say. Try to get into an online Rfactor game
I rest my case

that tire problem (grip falls to nothing whenever you muck it up) was what turned me off GTR2 and prevented me from buying rFactor - since I read it was using the same engine for the tyres.
In rF, whenever I enter a corner too fast (which is about 99% of the time ) I simply slide off the track, helicopter fashion. The most retarded thing is that this happens at ALL SPEEDS. Come into magny cours hairpin a tad too fast, no throttle applied, turn the wheel too much, and presto - the car fisically "bounces" to the left as the front tires just let go of the tarmac, and I simply go plowing straight ahead into the wall. No chance to brake at all... not even on the tarmac.
I saw a guy doing the exact same thing on a f430, (in RL) and he also slid forwards like I did, understeering like mad on the hairpin. Thing is, the car was nearly stopped at the edge of the track, inside the white line. He let go of the brakes, and just turned the car around back onto the line...

What got me to buy LFS on the spot (I had demo about 2 days before I decided to buy) was when braking waaay too late for a corner, the car slid sideways... and kept sliding, but stable. I didnt get off the track, but lost damn near all my speed. Meaning, I was not in control, but the tires were still GRIPPING and slowing me down. Kinda like what has happened to me several times in RL. (loose the rear, instintivly hit the brakes, make the situation worse, and go into a looooooooooooooooong slide sideways while you look to your side, where you were coming, looking straight on into the white-shocked faces of drivers behind you.... but the car stops just shy of the railing).
On rF, when you loose traction it works *exactly* like Nelsinho Piquet's spin in montreal race: begin spin, then suddenly the car twirls around and BAM into the wall. Only diff was that nelsinho hit the kerb, which was why he lost all grip. The moment he landed, he could brake again and didnt touch the wall.

The error people understandably make is that they blame rFactor, where its mostly just the numbers that are fed into it. 99% is utter crap but it doesn't HAVE to be.

Mind you, if LFS was so open, I'd be pretty sure it would be a lot better when given to someone who has seen a fair amount of real data and happens to have a decent physics / racing head screwed on. Since LFS isn't open, I'd say that a really well made rFactor mod beats LFS in many areas. If you'd spend the same amount of time (if you had access to the dev tools) on LFS, it might edge ahead but as it stands, rFactor is open to nutters like me who prefer huge excel worksheets over a social life. The development rate of my rFactor cars is a lot faster than Scawen manages to improve LFS's physics or numbers fed to the engine. Partly because his list of tasks is far larger, and probably partly because I'm more obsessed with getting the parameters right..

Quote from Stigpt :

In rF, whenever I enter a corner too fast (which is about 99% of the time ) I simply slide off the track, helicopter fashion. The most retarded thing is that this happens at ALL SPEEDS.

Next time that happens, steer the opposite direction you would naturally to correct the slide. You'll be surprised that the car will straighten itself out... completely backwards and against all logic but it works for some reason...

That being said, the recently released Mid-Ohio feels better than any track I've tried. The mid-corner elevation changes can really be felt, and all of a sudden the rTrainer feels good!

Quote from ajp71 :

You prefer tires that do the whole sudden loss of grip nonsense? I suggest you try driving a real car on the limit and you'll soon see why no one can reproduce GTR slip curves...

I prefer tires that drive more like LFS does.

have you tried that port?

Quote from JJ72 :

I prefer tires that drive more like LFS does.

LFS uses sensible tire slip curves which is why it is very forgiving and doesn't need special tires for drifting, it doesn't use any of the nonsense found in GTR and typical mod tire curves.

Quote from Niels Heusinkveld :

The error people understandably make is that they blame rFactor, where its mostly just the numbers that are fed into it. 99% is utter crap but it doesn't HAVE to be.

[...more sensible stuff...]

Very good post

Historic GT mod has been released. I'm now just waiting to find out who will deliver GTL to me first, Royal Mail or the internet

Oh yeah Niels you're making us buy a SimBin product now

Faster even: unpack the installer?

Quote from ajp71 :

Historic GT mod has been released. I'm now just waiting to find out who will deliver GTL to me first, Royal Mail or the internet

Oh yeah Niels you're making us buy a SimBin product now

Yeah that is worrying..

So... how long till 3.0 corvette? maybe wolfe could help out with the corvette sounds? th

Quote from Niels Heusinkveld :

Exactly how I felt, willy..

You felt willy ?

Sorry couldn't resist

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Quote from ajp71 :

Historic GT mod has been released. I'm now just waiting to find out who will deliver GTL to me first, Royal Mail or the internet

Oh yeah Niels you're making us buy a SimBin product now

Downloading now.

And uninstalling GTL & Starforce.

woooo i have GTL and my new G25 wooo, gonna be a orgasm

Downloaded it and installed it. For now it seems great.

But I just ran into weird problem, it seems that I'm not able to buy Ford Escort?

From what I've seen, the new HistoriX mod looks brilliant, the all important physics seem to be good from what ive seen.

Sadly I can't get a single download mirror to work.

Oh well

lol I just didn't have enough money... I haven't used to that in rF so I didn't even think about it.

So I have tested few Fords now. All three, Lotus Cortina, Capri 3000 and Escort have great physics and looks.
I remember that in GTL I found Capri a little bit boring to drive, but in this mod it's just great! It also sounds very, and I mean very, good.

But I have a little problem and that problem is that I'm one kind of a perfectionist when it goes to how cars sounds. And I'm sorry to say that Cortina and Escort just sound horrible when I'm pushing the gas pedal. It's just that those samples are very bad quality. When coasting, Escort sounds great, very much like how it does IRL. Cortina's samples are quite bad too and I can't hear those twin carbs suck air, like I would IRL do. In GTL Lotus did sound quite good, although it was more like my Sierra's Pinto with EFi, instead of pure raw sound of twin carbs passing air to that Lotus twin cam.

BUT, I do know how hard it is to produce good sounds, so I forgive those things.

As I have already commented on rfc, this mod is the best thing happend to both rfactor and GTL for a long-long time. It looks (and most probably is) the mother of all mods, on any platfrom! A sim within a sim (AI and damage are not working correctly yet, but they're on to them as I read).

A true piece of art! Niels, accept and pass my maximum respect to all the HistoriX team and a big "thank you". Superb sounds, awsome 3d models, great physics (for an ISI engine, anyway ), amazing selection of cars, realfeel ready!

A must have, for every simer!

I think the damage is good, finally one that is not ultra forgiving. I've actually see an alfa lost it under braking, turn into an guard rail and started burning.

i have a problem, i cant see the cars in the showroom, showroom.mas error??

This happens when you make a stand alone installation with rfactor-lite and remove all the default files. Just go to Race Series and select the Historic GT&Touring Cars mod! Close and re-run the game... you'll be all set

PS. Due to an error in the manual, read also this post

anyone interested in a bit of online sessons?

It's one of the few mods that I really have to adapt to how the tires drive.

Just wondering, do mods work with the Logitech rFactor that comes with the G25?

No that's just the demo.

Quote from evilpimp :

Just wondering, do mods work with the Logitech rFactor that comes with the G25?

That's just a demo of rFactor so I don't think so as you're limited to car and track choice.