There are a couple things that bother me with the current AutoClutch.

1) It kicks in when pulling off from relatively low speeds with high gears. I can understand some race car engines might have little torque available at low rpms, OTOH every single road car that I've driven IRL can pull off in 2nd gear from almost stationary without messing with the clutch. I can't do the same with, say, the XFG (see the attached screenshot which is the default [hard track] setup)

As of now, it feels unrealistic and in some situations it can overheat the clutch if I don't watch closely the pedal indicators.

2) It's almost as fast as a sequential, and I assume there's little reason to use a physical clutch pedal in a race, except for the fun factor.

Quote from NightShift :

There are a couple things that bother me with the current AutoClutch.

1) It kicks in when pulling off from relatively low speeds with high gears. I can understand some race car engines might have little torque available at low rpms, OTOH every single road car that I've driven IRL can pull off in 2nd gear from almost stationary without messing with the clutch. I can't do the same with, say, the XFG (see the attached screenshot which is the default [hard track] setup)

Look to see what your 2nd gear ratio is in comparison to a similar real road car (VW Golf, Ford Focus, etc.) I imagine you will find that your LFS 2nd gear ratio is MUCH taller than a car would be in real life.

In your photo, your RPM is showing at 2500 because the clutch is still slipping. If you were able to release the clutch, the RPM would probably fall closer to idle speed, thus the autoclutch system is engaging the clutch to keep from stalling the car.

Of course, I am just guessing based on your description, the photo, and my experience with LFS.

Quote from mrodgers :

Look to see what your 2nd gear ratio is in comparison to a similar real road car (VW Golf, Ford Focus, etc.) I imagine you will find that your LFS 2nd gear ratio is MUCH taller than a car would be in real life.

In your photo, your RPM is showing at 2500 because the clutch is still slipping. If you were able to release the clutch, the RPM would probably fall closer to idle speed, thus the autoclutch system is engaging the clutch to keep from stalling the car.

Of course, I am just guessing based on your description, the photo, and my experience with LFS.

For some reason, because I used to cruise alot, I made an FXO with the same gear ratios as my dads 2.2 Vectra... Don't ask why, but with auto clutch, it kicks in in 3rd and 4th from 25-30 mph, where as the 2.2 Vectra, in RL, with half the power and torque can happily pull from those kind of revs.. Just saying..(I use my G25 so I don't drive with autoclutch normally, so it doesn't bother me anyway :c

Quote from mrodgers :

In your photo, your RPM is showing at 2500 because the clutch is still slipping. If you were able to release the clutch, the RPM would probably fall closer to idle speed, thus the autoclutch system is engaging the clutch to keep from stalling the car.

Watch this replay and pls pay no attention the crappy driving, I lack the coordination to do shifts properly like I'd do IRL cos I'm currently stuck with a gamepad.

See how it pulls off from 2000 in 2nd with no prob?

and 2k is quite high a revving IRL, with a proper controller I could probably pull off from 10 km/h and 1000 rpm.

PS: I'm attaching also the other replay (with AutoClutch) whence the screenshot in the OP came.

take the xfg, set the gear ratio to something to something un-race'ish (like 1st goes to 50kph), do 4 hillstarts in a row (south city) and smell the burnt clutch...
and this is with a light foot. floor it, and it takes maybe not even 3 starts.
you can kill the clutch even with continuous starts on level ground.
yes, the autoclutch IS suboptimal and YES, it does overheat to quickly.


off topic ---

@nightshift: I think the quote in your signature is meant to be a paradox - but it doesn't have to be. furthermore I doubt that 80% of all drivers really believe so.
it's like a joke that isn't funny when you think about it... but the laughter was quicker.

Bandit, thanks for bumping this. I forgot about this thread and I meant to watch NightShift's replays and also do exactly as you said, build a gearbox to roughly real life ratios and test.

I'll do this tonight, if I don't again forget about it...