Sucks to be them, then.
Sucks to be them, then.
Well, i think Hamilton will never be like Senna, he was humble, good person, etc. When have you seen Hamilton stop his car to see if a driver is ok after an accident?
What, like when Senna stopped at T1 of the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix to see if Prost was ok ?
yea like that.
lol my sarcasm monitor is flashing in a million different colours.....
Lol mine too.
technically he did stop
and its not like prost didnt do much the same to him the year before
He did stop for Zanardi at Spa though. And once or twice at other times too, as well as 'stealing' a course car to check on (and I'm sorry, but my memory fails me at this point) either Barrichello or Ratzenberger. Fortunately Lewis hasn't encountered such a scenario, so I don't think even I could knock him down on that basis!! 
I'm sure that drivers would stop much more frequently in future, if they got a firm guarantee from the FIA that they won't get penalised in the next race for it 
Let's be honest, Senna was indeed a gentleman and a genius, but he was also of his rocker
Let's be honest, Senna was indeed a gentleman and a genius, but he was also of his rocker
Well yeah, but technically he didn't stop until Prosts Ferrari was firmly embedded in his nose cone and he'd pushed him through the gravel trap at 120mph kicking up a huge dust cloud. And in fairness, he didn't so much as check to see if Prost was ok but run off down the pit lane with a huge cheesy grin on his face
.Although he wasn't chuffed after the 89 incident, i think the 1990 shunt was more of sticking up one the FIA rather than Prost. If you remember back in 89, Senna continued in the race but was excluded from the results and was actually stopped from going onto the podium because he was deemed to have had an illegal push start from the marshalls after the coming together with Prost. Which all meant that he didn't get the points that he needed to win the WDC that year. Then in 1990 the FIA had said they'd swap the grid markings before the race. But then went back on their promise which meant Senna had to start on the dirty side on the track despite getting pole position, which also meant Prost was able to pass him off the line.
But having said that, Senna did stop on a number of occasions to help other drivers, which is something that doesn't seem to happen these days. Infact the last time i remember that happening was Eddie Irvine running to help Luca Burti after he burried himself in the tyre wall at Spa. But maybe todays drivers have been told not to stop and leave it to the marshalls and emercency staff ?
most likely... an additional car standing close to the track doesnt help much with safety and these days theres so many marshalls that a driver wouldnt be the first to arrive anyway
Yeah, i'd go along with that. And even if a driver was the first on scene, if he wasn't a fully qualified first aider chances are he'd do more harm than good.
I think in the past with fewer marshalls trackside and cars that would burst into flames at the slightest bump, it was an acceptable and note-worthy thing for a fellow competitor to do. But today they'd probably get a ten place grid penalty and a 10K fine fotr their troubles.
not to forget that with the foam (?) inserts in the cockpit that need to be removed before you can get out and all the other safety features youd be hard pressed to even stand up before a marshall arrives (possibly not true if you race at sentul)... you certainly wont get out anywhere near as quickly as gilles did
Yeah, foam is the right word.
Sentul ??
Think what it would have been like back in Fangio's day. The cars didn't even have seatbelts as the drivers figured it'd be better to be flung out of the car rather than go with it to the scene of the accident. And to think most of the drivers wore nothing on their heads other than maybe a cloth flying cap. I had an old book a few years back with a picture of (i think it it was Jean Behra ?) driving in a GP in the 1950's. He was wearing an old cloth cap, short sleeved shirt, and believe it or not, he was smoking a pipe !! in the middle of a Grand Prix
How cool is that Bah, modern F1 drivers, no class, no character, bunch of over-rated, over-paid whinging pansies..i know but im note sure if its foam or something else
some track in indonesia where gp2 asia raced last season
the surface was by far the filthiest ive ever seen in my life and most of race 2 was spent behind the safety car thanks to the marshalls taking ~8 laps to get a single car out of a gravel trap
because of that race 2 ended with the clock ticking down to zero which didnt seem to bother the marshalls much so the race went on for another lap (during which the race winner was announced by a tv overlay) before the chequered flag was shown
and because the marshalls were that useless during the last 2 laps the field had to drive around a stranded car standing in the middle of the road in a chicane
as for the filth heres one of my fav gp2 videos of all times (which ive linked to at least 2 times before here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlaISkyoeYc
just look at that brown cloud in the sf straight which is all dirt kicked up by cars driving off line... the paint on the cars was completely ruined after that weekend and apparently the stones hitting the cars as the drove behind each other very nearly took one of the front wings off
also it has the voice of who is by far the best motorsports commentator out there in it
i suppose that getting out to help was as uncommon as it is today back then... not like theres anything you could have done except picking up bits of brain
you must find that pic again
Oopsy, sorry, i had wondered why you of all people in here would have been confused by the word foam But yeah, as far as i know it is simply a chunk of foam padding. But being F1 it's probably derived from the space industry and costs 50K per square inch.
Sounds like utter madness, actually it sounds like the FIA are fully involved in running the series. The words piss up, brewery, organise and couldn't, spring to mind
Yeah, i've seen that vid before, it's hilarious. Bit like an opposite version of James May at the Britcar 24 last year. Drives out the pits during qualifying, does an out lap, then comes back into the pits at the end of his second lap convinced he'd done a full bore qualifying lap.
Guess it's all to easy to get stuck in the moment and not realise what's going on around you. Or in Mays case, completely fail to get into the moment at all.Would that be Martin Havens (sp?) the guy so many want to front the BBC's F1 coverage next year. I recognise the voice now although i could never had put a name to it. He'd be good, doesn't prattle on like a love sick F1 wannabe
It was in a book about the history of the Maserati Marque i bought...wow maybe 10-15 yrs ago now. And at some stage over the last 10yrs it simply vanished, where to, i have no idea. I've had a good look on the net, but am yet to find the pic. And truth be told i can't even remember the name of the book, and it doesn't seem to be listed at Amazon either. All i can remember was it had hundreds of pics covering both the road cars and the race cars from the marques birth right up to the early-mid 90's, and it was big, heavy, and bloody expensive. Wouldn't mind getting another, if i can find out the name.
that would be him and hese pure commenting genius
also that weekend i believe it was hanley who came into the pits with a bent suspension arm... the mechanics decided the best thing to do would be hitting it with a hammer
haven "like i always say if you cant fix it with a hammer it really is broken"
he did an outstanding job again last weekend when he decided to not comment on the taiwanese guy who had just spun while driving behind the safety car
Not only Martin Haven, him and this other guy, Gareth Rees, are marvelous. Best commentating team I know by far. I'm even watching GP2 Asia only because they make it fun.
Why do people hate Hamilton so much?
I can speak for myself only.
Because he first started to say things like he's best of the best ever, comparing himself with A. Senna after just half year of his first season. Can't remember of example, but I know he did that...
I also don't like him not using much of the brain while racing. Example. Canada last year.
Doing uber stupid mistakes, example last two races of last year. He is so bad in startegie, example Monza this year, Silverstone this year, he is also quite rude driver.
For me it's ok to do some things, but to push someone to the wet grass like in Monza is just stupid.
I also never prefered McLaren, but that's really not the reason.
And I hate that all GB ppl don't see this and still support him.
So yea, I have not one or two reasons, I have planty and they all are really bad.
I can speak for myself only.
Because he first started to say things like he's best of the best ever, comparing himself with A. Senna after just half year of his first season. Can't remember of example, but I know he did that...
I also don't like him not using much of the brain while racing. Example. Canada last year.
Doing uber stupid mistakes, example last two races of last year. He is so bad in startegie, example Monza this year, Silverstone this year, he is also quite rude driver.
For me it's ok to do some things, but to push someone to the wet grass like in Monza is just stupid.
I also never prefered McLaren, but that's really not the reason.
And I hate that all GB ppl don't see this and still support him.
So yea, I have not one or two reasons, I have planty and they all are really bad.
I'm a GB person and I see it! Do not tarnish me with the idiot Hamilton fanboy brush!
sorry Tristan, you are one of few who can open their eyes 
90% can't, it's just sad
90% can't, it's just sad
Simple: I can't respect someone who doesn't respect others (anybody else in this case)... Hamilton shows that in his words ("monkeys at the back") and his actions (forcing people off and crowbar-overtaking)...
He's like a kid that doesn't know its limits... Unfortunately, there is no one to show them to him at the moment - except the FIA, and they're making a mess of it...
He's like a kid that doesn't know its limits... Unfortunately, there is no one to show them to him at the moment - except the FIA, and they're making a mess of it...
Sorry niki but u chat some bullshit lol.
I was saying that the drivers will be getting pissed everytime they are interviewed by ITV they always get asked about hamilton, the drivers think it isnt F1 anymore more like LH1 its starting to piss me off two when i watch, yes i like to hear about him but not constantly through the 2 hour ****ing show FFS.
rees is pretty good too but he deosnt quite compare to haven
same... such a shame that itv4 completely ruined gp2 europe for haven fans this year
did you watch the shanghai race?
kevin chen spins while pootling behind the safety car in 4th place and even though the camera zooms in on the car he just keeps on talking about the laptimes of the frontrunners
after a good 20 seconds of this rees finally tries to get a word in so haven switches midsentence to "just dont... yes... no dont"
Why do people hate Hamilton so much?
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