Hi,

I noticed that when you enable the option to change gears with automatic clutch in cars with default gearbox in "H" (UF1, XFG, XRG, LX4, LX6, RB4, FXO, XRT, RAC, FZ5, UFR and FZR), the time it takes LFS in change from one gear to another is zero, however if gears are change with a wheel with clutch pedal (and in real life too), there is always a small time delay between the change of a gear and another reason why which users who use a wheel with a clutch pedal have a significant disadvantage with respect to those who use the automatic clutch, because by adding the small time delay with the number of times you shift the gears in a race is a significant time.

Because of this I wanted to suggest that when you enable the option of using the automatic clutch when you use these cars with default "H" gearbox, there is a small time delay between the change of gear and gear about as a professional pilot average delay in change gears, while this delay should be seen on the "gears display" as "current gear", neutral, "next gear", so that in this way, users who have a wheel with clutch pedal (and "H" shifter) should not be disadvantaged by the fact of wanting to experience more real, and conversely, if the user is talented and the change gears can happen very quickly, have a slight advantage as it would in real life.

Sorry for my english.. i speak spanish

Enjoy!

I understand what you mean and I'll try to clarify for everyone else.

What he means is, when using a clutch shifter and pedal, there is a time delay between gears(ex: going from 3rd to 4th, its more like 3rd, clutch, small delay, 4th).

Then with auto clutch on, the shifting is much faster and smoother then it is while using a clutch pedal.

Basically all he wants is for auto clutch to go 3rd, nuetral, 4th. to make even timing with people who use a clutch pedal.

Personally i would enjoy this alot, I LOVE using the FZR with my H shifter and clutch pedal, Its just that much more challenging!

+1 sounds easy enough to do, and it will keep aliens from getting our W.R.

Haven't used auto ckutch for ages, so I didn't realise there was a definite advantage.

+1

Quote from irollgen4s :

I understand what you mean and I'll try to clarify for everyone else.

What he means is, when using a clutch shifter and pedal, there is a time delay between gears(ex: going from 3rd to 4th, its more like 3rd, clutch, small delay, 4th).

Then with auto clutch on, the shifting is much faster and smoother then it is while using a clutch pedal.

Basically all he wants is for auto clutch to go 3rd, nuetral, 4th. to make even timing with people who use a clutch pedal.

Personally i would enjoy this alot, I LOVE using the FZR with my H shifter and clutch pedal, Its just that much more challenging!

Yess, this is.. thanks for your clarification =)

I too love playing with H-Shifter and clutch pedal, its much more challenging, entertaining and realistic..

The thing is that not everyone has 3 pedals, I use autoclutch just because i have 2 pedals

Still +1 even up the table's

Quote from bmwe30m3 :

The thing is that not everyone has 3 pedals, I use autoclutch just because i have 2 pedals

Same here, but when using H pattern cars you still have to let off the throttle, so the change isn't instant.

Quote from bmwe30m3 :

The thing is that not everyone has 3 pedals, I use autoclutch just because i have 2 pedals

So you think you should have an advantage because of this?
The suggestion was just to take away your advantage, that's all...

Quote from farcar :

So you think you should have an advantage because of this?
The suggestion was just to take away your advantage, that's all...

Talk about misdirecting your complaints.

Autoclutch is not "instant", far from it, in fact. The huge jump in revs you get whilst the clutch is disengaged if you flat-shift is clear confirmation of that.

Button clutch and Macro clutch are instant. You could slow autoclutch all you want, but if nothing else was changed you'll still have people doing F1-like seamless flat-shifts in road cars with H-pattern gear boxes.

So if you want to level the playing field, get on to Scawen about the macro and button clutch users. Or read some of the many threads on the issue.

I never understood the reason for the button clutch option anyway.

Quote from three_jump :

I never understood the reason for the button clutch option anyway.

Manual clutch override when you haven't got a clutch pedal or are using sequential?
I find it quite useful when I have to use my joystick or a mouse.

My point is that it is unrealistic and the option should be removed as it will / can be exploited with the use of macros or whatever.

A clutch should only be applied to an axis of a controller.

Well, everything is decided in-turns. I could win qualifies and get podiums in GT Series using H-shifter and manual clutch, but I support the idea because, I dunno, let just be more fair.

Bear in mind that the button clutch isn't instant - at the fastest button control rate, it's not far off what you can do with a pedal.
Perhaps reducing the fastest button control rate (which affects all control inputs AFAIK) would achieve the same thing?
Not that that would stop profiler macros or emulated axis, which can actually be instant....

Button clutch IS instant, you can even shift by simply pressing shift-up/shift-down and clutch simultaneously. The button control rate is utterly irrelevant.

Quote from morpha :

Button clutch IS instant, you can even shift by simply pressing shift-up/shift-down and clutch simultaneously. The button control rate is utterly irrelevant.

Yes, Button clutch IS instant, perhaps as proof of this, when you shift up or shift down with the clutch pedal and H shifter, you can see, for a brief moment in the shift display, the neutral position "n", which is not in automatic clutch. So this also suggest a package that in cars with "h" gearbox you can see for brief moments the neutral position when you shift up or shift down in auto clutch, with the resulting few time delay

Fair enough - it was affected by control rate when I was testing manual button clutch with a g25 shifter, presumably it doesn't always affect it then...

Quote from sinbad :

So if you want to level the playing field, get on to Scawen about the macro and button clutch users. Or read some of the many threads on the issue.

O now i understand some are so fast in fzr lol I was already wondering why i could keep up in corners, braking and same top speed and yet be 1 to 1.5 sec slower
button clutch so definitly be adressed soon!

On what was this idea? Do you suggest to the developers?... because, apparently, was accepted

Quote from Bluebird B B :

O now i understand some are so fast in fzr lol I was already wondering why i could keep up in corners, braking and same top speed and yet be 1 to 1.5 sec slower
button clutch so definitly be adressed soon!

It's actually the top speed that would benefit from this most as there would be less time where the engine is not powering the wheels. If you're slower in corners that's either setup or skill. 1.5 seconds is too much to be attributed to button clutch exploits/macros.

The idea in the OP is nice though, giving a physical (well virtual) limit to how fast the clutch can move in H-pattern gearboxes would wash out this form of exploiting.

Quote from pik_d :

It's actually the top speed that would benefit from this most as there would be less time where the engine is not powering the wheels. If you're slower in corners that's either setup or skill. 1.5 seconds is too much to be attributed to button clutch exploits/macros.

The idea in the OP is nice though, giving a physical (well virtual) limit to how fast the clutch can move in H-pattern gearboxes would wash out this form of exploiting.

Depends on track, top speed with the button-clutch-macro should be bit higher. But i tested just on one track as national where the exit out of the last corner is more important. Speed at end of a long straight will not be much different.
BUT exits out of the slow corners, made me check my controller, because you just get a feeling like the other cars have more horsepower. Perfect exit and yet they just pull away and i am not talking what happens normally, normally the car in front will create a gap as speed increases. But the effect is just double that and you wonder.. what?? how can he accelarete so fast, does he has half the downforce?

Now i understand to why often gear-ratio's are radically different, if you can do better than F1-style shifts you wont loose time if you have to change gears more often. With the auto-clutch, you loose time if your gears are not a good compromise between number of times you have to shift and what gears are optimal for the corners.

So being able to use instant shifts also means you got to change your gear-ratio's to make best use of it and gaining even more time versus people without instant shifts. Although the effect is looks small, it is an advantage in any car, mrt5, fox,fo8,bf1 too!

It actually screws any fair competition online! And really made me understand why some drivers looked like they were driving a car from another class: Copy there setup, notice strange gearing which totally sucks for normal shifting and makes me and you a lot slower. Most noticeable is they use weird low gears in corners, costing me a lot of time on corner exit and often hard to control because of the short power-loss during the gear-shift..
why... now i know why, they can flatshift with zero-time-delay and thus get benefits of using more gears but they don't have to pay the price of the extra needed gear-shifts. Just like all F1 cars can do since 2007, shift gear and no power-loss to the wheels.

I still have one question, if you use zero-time shift, the engine will be bumped from higher rev's to lower instantly. This is energy should be converted to short burst of extra power to the wheels and damped by the tyres. Does button-macro guys also gain extra advantage because this energy gets more efficiently sent to the wheels? Or is it lost because it is in 0.000000 seconds the lfs-engine just somehow discards it?