I don't think anyone thinks Vettel hit on Purpose, but he didn't have enough overlap on Webber to take the line but he did it anyway because he thought he had the right to the line thus he hit him.

Vettels fault 100%

Regardless of what RBR say or Webber, Webber left just enough room for Vettel to go beside him however when Vettel got a bit ahead he thought he would have the right to the corner which he didn't until he is fully ahead. he hits webber and spins out.
Helmut Marko is a joke, blaming Webber for the incident even though he acknowledged Vettel was the one who hit Webber.

And before Someone asked why was Webber in Fuel saving mode while Vettel wasn't he said Webbers tyres where gone so Vettel was faster, it was clear The team wanted Vettel to sneak ahead while telling Mark to slow down.

Good thing though is there team orders failed in the exact opposite way as now there love child is behind in the points table.

Also MW and Horner have said this numerous times, who ever is in the lead gets priority in the pits, however for the past 3 races Vettel has pitted first even though Webber has been ahead in the last 3 races.

Vettel hasn't pitted 2nd this year actually.

Quote from Mustafur :

he did it anyway because he thought he had the right to the line thus he hit him.

I don't buy that. Even when he thought he had the right of line, MW was so close that he hadn't have enough time to move away from SV when he started to turn right. I say SV expected MW has moved already and did not try to force him.
As for the indirect team order thingy, it could really be a bad end for RBRs reputation.
I am not sure either, from what I read, SV was saving some fuel while driving behind. So he had not to change the mixture setting at this time, of course this is all published by RBR (right after the tyre explanation).

which would mean its SVs fault again for not looking in the mirrors.

Webber doesn't have to give him more room, team mates or not there here to race and we as spectators expect them to race.

Since alot seem to be impartial about the decision and even the RBR team has decided it was someone's fault, who do you think was at fault?

Incident of question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqwx7w6i1HQ

crap i forgot to put a poll.

This arguement is still going on?!

Anyway, I thought it was Vettel's fault. He shouldn't have expected Webber to move just for him, but that is just my opinion.

can somebody just delete this.

That's right, SV should have checked his mirrors.

I get the feeling from the Fuel comments, the team comments, and Vettel's reaction that the team had told Mark to let him pass.

Why else would they react the way they did. The team orders are alive and well. Martin Brundle aludes to it all the time actually. He said the same thing about barichello taking hulkenburg.

They told the guy leading the championship, with 3 consecutive poles, 2 consecutive wins, and leading the race...to pull over.

And they expected him to pull over. Now he's pissed, Vettel is pissed, and the team is pissed.

RBR is in self destruct mode and mclaren are laughing all the way to the championship. Funny since they are the ones who went through the same thing two years ago. RBR should read a history book.

Can't people just except that racing accidents happen and that the blame can't always be directed at one person.

Every race theres some bloody stupid argument that repeats itself at least five times over.

when 2 team mates equal on the top of the points table collide its going to be interesting regardless, especially considering the team blamed one of them for it.

Quote from Mustafur :

when 2 team mates equal on the top of the points table collide its going to be interesting regardless, especially considering the team blamed one of them for it.

Yes its interesting, but there isn't anything new to be said at the moment. There are rumours of tension between the English and German speaking parts of the team, but they're just rumours over on F1technical.net, without a source even. So that really is all for now.

I think and i could be wrong that the extra liter of fuel in SV's car is a load of shite, SV was flogging the arse out of the car just like the other three guys in the group. Jenny B and Loois couldn't save any extra fuel and they were holding station exactly like Vettle.

Personally i think it was RBR's spin control .

Quote from some dude on youtube :

And what should Webber do? Step aside and say "Please, go, your majesty"? It´s racing for gods sake!

nuff said.

vettel went where he shouldn't have, and it almost cost both of them the race... and it cost webber his win.

Racing incident MOVE THE **** ON!!!!!

This is what happens when you don't hit webber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... A26bE&feature=related

Because he reached the braking point.

Still the same style defence move by Webber.

Quote from JPeace :

Except then webber moved to the outside.

Which he may very well have done in this incident as well if Vettel hadn't moved to the right early.

Yeah, 'cos there isnt a big enough discussion about this in the Turkey GP thread.

+1 5haz.

It was Vettels fault no doubt about it, but it was Webber who don't acted like a team player.
He tried to block Vettel, he failed and he should have let him go for teams sake. I think they will barely work as a team ever again.
Of course the aussies are upset about it.
At the end it doesn't look good for Vettel but Webber put himself in a bad position for extending his contract.

Don't forget who pays the salary.

Quote from yankman :

It was Vettels fault no doubt about it, but it was Webber who don't acted like a team player.
He tried to block Vettel, he failed and he should have let him go for teams sake. I think they will barely work as a team ever again.
Of course the aussies are upset about it.
At the end it doesn't look good for Vettel but Webber put himself in a bad position for extending his contract.

Don't forget who pays the salary.

If team player means move out of the way so love child can win the race there is no doubt Webber was going to defend the position till the end.

Redbull tried to get Vettel ahead of Webber then they blame Webber for being overly defensive when he was told by HIS TEAM to slow down.

This cracked me up - quite off topic but on topic a little

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiJYXj6AXkM&NR=1

Shame this time, Webber couldn't say what he wanted.

How many lies can you pick up in this: http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/5/10855.html

My view:

Vettel 80% at fault, Webber 20% (assuming that the blame lies soley at their doors, and not with the team for allowing Vettel a power advantage for a lap, but then Vettel saved the fuel and Webber didn't...)

Vettel poked his nose up the inside and got ahead. He then wanted to move a bit to the right to ease his corner. This happens a lot in racing, and the other driver normally moves across a bit too... The same as when cars are alongside each other and try to push each other to the side of the track. Webber didn't budge at all, and nearly paid the price.

Vettel didn't swerve at all. He began to ease over to the right as he approached the braking point. Something pretty much every driver has done in every overtake ever in any form of motorsport.

Vettel was ahead. He can therefore squeeze Webber to the right a bit. Had it been Webber that had come from behind and positioned himself to the right and slightly behind Vettel, then Webber would have been expected to give a little. If only so that he'd get the better exit from the next corner and thus be able to take (retain) the place.

Vettel isn't 100% at fault. But the majority of the blame can be laid at his door.

Of course RBR are going to support Vettel slightly more. He's faster. He's better. He's far more likely to win the championship than Webber. Webber is the equivalent of Couthard, Irvine or Barrichello - great to have in the team to score points, help develop the car, and ultimately act as rear gunner to the team leader, but no sensible man would put money on him over a year.

Pleased to see that Hamilton is still surprised by the speed of Button. It was great racing by both of them, and this year clearly both are very very similar in terms of ability and speed. Jenson just has a bit more maturity.

Very shocked that Hamilton didn't destroy his tyres in Turn 8. It turns out that Lewis has finally learnt something, so kudos to him for that. Only took him 3 years. Most drivers learn in 3 laps.