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Quote from Velociround :There's still no ridiculously easy way to steal one's passwords from Opera as there is on other browsers. When the user is browsing the web with Opera, you'll need access to his hard drive to open the wand data and some software to decrypt it. However on other browsers all you have to do is have a very simple script on a website to get all the data the browser deliberately fills in without you wanting it to, or someone else using your PC just open the settings and see all your passwords. There's just no comparison between the extra level of security Opera gives its users, whereas other browsers just fill in all of their data on every field they find.

Did you just say that Google are stupid enough to let the website retrieve fill data before the form has submitted? I mean, come on, that's common sense. I don't claim to know what the situation really is, but this just sounds ridiculously impossible.
Slightly OT

Firefox/Flock freezes when I type in a web address

Say I type in L for lfsforum.net, it'll freeze as soon as the history comes up

How to fix?
try clearing the history?
Quote from DieKolkrabe :Slightly OT

Firefox/Flock freezes when I type in a web address

Say I type in L for lfsforum.net, it'll freeze as soon as the history comes up

How to fix?

Firefox and Flock are unrelated for 6 months or so already.

In Firefox, you can fix it by deleting file %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\your profile\places.sqlite (warning: you'll lose all your history!)
Quote from Velociround :There's just no comparison between the extra level of security Opera gives its users

Looks like security experts think other way around.
Quote from E.Reiljans :Looks like security experts think other way around.

This report is kind of useless as Opera added some sort of social-engineered malware protection in 10.60. Moreover, even though MSIE seems to be the safest browser by this standards, I don't think that anybody is that stupid to consider it really safe.
Level of security is not measured by how many warnings you shove up the user's face or how many data on fraudulent websites you have. Anybody with working brain should be able to detect them anyway. It's the security holes in the browser itself which can be exploited and MSIE has never been any good in terms of not having a lot of them
Quote from E.Reiljans :Firefox and Flock are unrelated for 6 months or so already.

In Firefox, you can fix it by deleting file %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\your profile\places.sqlite (warning: you'll lose all your history!)

I use both, they have the same origins thank you
Quote from Velociround :There's still no ridiculously easy way to steal one's passwords from Opera as there is on other browsers. When the user is browsing the web with Opera, you'll need access to his hard drive to open the wand data and some software to decrypt it. However on other browsers all you have to do is have a very simple script on a website to get all the data the browser deliberately fills in without you wanting it to, or someone else using your PC just open the settings and see all your passwords. There's just no comparison between the extra level of security Opera gives its users, whereas other browsers just fill in all of their data on every field they find.

You are incorrect.

Yes you can use autofill to harvest stuff with ajax.. but it'll be obvious when the page never finishes loading. Passwords you cannot.

In MacOS.. passwords are doubly secure, as they're stored in a keychain with (SURPRISE) a master password!

Also, autofill is an opt-in option, not an opt-out. Most suers have it disabled.
Quote from MadCatX :Moreover, even though MSIE seems to be the safest browser by this standards, I don't think that anybody is that stupid to consider it really safe.

IE 8, in fact, is only browser whichs sandbox (known as Protected Mode) hasn't been bypassed yet (and unlike Chrome, Firefox, Safari and Opera, it sandboxes everything, not only Adobe Trash/Java/other plugins).
Quote from E.Reiljans :What a surprise, interface is horrible. As predicted.

How so? It's effectively a carbon copy of chrome and new Firefox jjust with a slight amendment as to where the tabs are located.

Your Anti-MS/Anti-Apple bashing is boring. Find something productive, like.. buy S2 and drive a bit. You clearly have too much posting time.
is he blind or just a troll?
Quote from majod :is he blind or just a troll?

I'd nominate troll, blind, and inteliectually challenged.
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(Most likely)

What do you expect.
Quote from DevilDare :Its Shadowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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What do you expect.

Don't think so, Shado[w]^n goes apesh*t much easier and sooner. And I actually agree with E.R on this. The interface is a cross between Chrome, FF and Opera 10.60, but it has less useful buttons and those it actually has are too big.
BTW, was it just a bad screenshot or do the (cleverly placed) tabs really overlap and blur out if you open too many of them so you can't tell which one is which?
Quote from dawesdust_12 :How so? It's effectively a carbon copy of chrome and new Firefox jjust with a slight amendment as to where the tabs are located.

Try opening at least 20 tabs, you'll see what I mean. It (tab bar) is not even scrollable by mouse wheel :|

MadCatX, they don't overlap, when there's no more place for anything but favicon and first letter of title, tab bar becomes scrollable.. but only by clicking on tiny < and > buttons.
Quote from E.Reiljans :Try opening at least 20 tabs, you'll see what I mean. It (tab bar) is not even scrollable by mouse wheel :|

MadCatX, they don't overlap, when there's no more place for anything but favicon and first letter of title, tab bar becomes scrollable.. but only by clicking on tiny < and > buttons.

Who in their right mind uses 20 tabs in a window? Yes I use a lot of tabs, but I guess I'm spoilt by Safari making only about 10 visible, then having a drop-down menu for the rest. Alternatively, I tend to split my tabs into seperate windows as well depending on task.
Quote from dawesdust_12 :Who in their right mind uses 20 tabs in a window?

With a browser that has drop-down list for tabs (everything but IE, Chrome has extension for it too afaik) it's very trivial task.

+ if you have 40 tabs of same site (e.g. wikipedia) in Chrome, you'll only have 1 process, not 4 processes (when you split them to 10 tabs/window), so there will be less IPC overhead.
I use Google Chrome, it is good browser.
Quote from E.Reiljans :With a browser that has drop-down list for tabs (everything but IE, Chrome has extension for it too afaik) it's very trivial task.

+ if you have 40 tabs of same site (e.g. wikipedia) in Chrome, you'll only have 1 process, not 4 processes (when you split them to 10 tabs/window), so there will be less IPC overhead.

Who cares?

You're screaming all these little technical details, but you provide no context as to why it's a benefit. Who cares if there's a little less interprocess communication.. Computers are freaking fast and that 2ns of timesavings are retarded optimization.

Stupid little crap like this doesn't matter for a browser. The only thing that does matter... Standards compliance. Speed is just bonus.
Quote from dawesdust_12 :The only thing that does matter... Standards compliance.



Yep, I agree with you on this one.
It's kinda unfair to compare Webkit to Trident. Sure Trident will be a bit better, but Webkit has been implementing HTML5 effectively as it has been revealed and worked out step-by-step.

IE also implements the useful shit too, stuff that is in the standard. I never throught I'd defend IE, but this time.. Microsoft is doing something decent.
Quote from dawesdust_12 :Who in their right mind uses 20 tabs in a window? Yes I use a lot of tabs, but I guess I'm spoilt by Safari making only about 10 visible, then having a drop-down menu for the rest. Alternatively, I tend to split my tabs into seperate windows as well depending on task.

Right now I have 51 tabs open. Even when I'm browsing on my phone I usually have around 16 tabs open. And somehow I usually can't browse at all using less than 8 or 9 tabs. The moment I open the browser it usually already have 6 or 7 tabs open, then I go on opening more and more until I click everything I want to see for the day (there goes 40+ tabs). Then I start reading all of them, one by one and finding whatever I think is useful. If I don't have time to read everything at home, the browser automatically sends the tabs to my phone, and I can continue reading them on the go. If I don't finish reading it on the same day, it will show them to me when I open the browser on the next day...

Then cycle repeats itself.
THat's just retarded. I browse a lot, but I maybe open 10 tabs at a time.
Quote from dawesdust_12 :THat's just retarded. I browse a lot, but I maybe open 10 tabs at a time.

In your last 3 posts:
You said that small optimizations are retarded.
You described IE as decent.
You called people that open many tabs retarded.
[edit] You said that speed is just a bonus. - It should be the primary thing when you are developing something. [/edit]

I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more with you. And it is obvious why.

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