its either gearbox or clutch, or both, but how do i know which, i guess i wont until i get it all to bits

first of all it started to feel really tight when changing gear, i know 5's are clunky on the stick anyway but this was worse, literally fighting to get it in, especially when changing down.

then i went for a gearchange and the clutch pedal went straight to the floor with no resistance and the clutch wasnt working, so i was rev matching to get gears for 2 or 3 miles, then there was an almighty bang when i changed down and the car had no drive whatever gear i was in, just this jingly metallic noise and the clutch pedal went rock solid.

So i managed to roll home (luckily i was that close) and turned her off, and upon re starting it to make this video, the clutch pedal will move about half way down and then goes solid, and it will not go in any gear, even when the engine is off.

My guess is the thrust bearing has shat itself and the clutch fingers and/or the bit the fingers are joined to (forgot the name) have therefore disintegrated which why the pedal gets jammed and it would also explain the noises its making, or the pressure plate could have mashed itself.

Heres the video... (click to view)



Any ideas at what is the most likely cause?

Many thanks in advance! :-)

you sound like you know, but i am no expert

i don't see a video, just a picture of a tach.

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i don't see a video, just a picture of a tach.

click it.


also

sounds like your engines spitting when you engage vtec, did you check your valve spacing ( sorry, momo wheel is just asking for ricer jokes )


ot: only true way to know how much you gonna be in the hole is to take it apart....

i guessing whole new clutch systhem plus G/b rebuild

I remember having a clutch go to the floor when racing, after getting the clutch out and missing a race the old man finally believed me saying it was just the clutch cable that had fallen off when the clutch turned out to be fine.

What I mean is, could the clutch cable have loosened (hence the gear change getting harder and harder), and then rev matching afterwards finally knackered it, although I don't see how rev matching could so quickly destroy and otherwise healthy clutch?

EDIT: too slow

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click it.

i did, all i got was the picture. i can't click on a picture. oh well.

Quote from 5haz :

I remember having a clutch go to the floor when racing, after getting the clutch out and missing a race the old man finally believed me saying it was just the clutch cable that had fallen off when the clutch turned out to be fine.

What I mean is, could the clutch cable have loosened (hence the gear change getting harder and harder), and then rev matching afterwards finally knackered it, although I don't see how rev matching could so quickly destroy and otherwise healthy clutch?

it's a hydraulic system, no cables to fall off. Sounds like the throwout bearing shat itself and is just spinning about on the input shaft. At the very least the gearbox has to come out to replace the bearing. How do the clutch cylinders look? (both master and slave) Is there still fluid in it?

So, what were you doing before this happened?

*finished watching video*

Isn't it obvious your gearbox is Borked? o.O
noise that went away when you pushed clutch in could be loose broken bits flying around while your drive is engaged.

Just get it on a ramp/lift and take it apart already and post pics!

Best thing to do in this situation is to start the car with a video camera and keep revving the sucker with obvious broken crap rattling around in there while you video tape it so that more stuff gets broken....

I bet that your throw out bearing (thrust bearing) is blown up. Your pressure plate might be toast as well.

Your transmission is fine. The problem is clutch related.
I can about guarantee that you will see the problem as soon as you pull the trans out and get a look at your clutch assembly.

I bet the cause was a Chinese thrust bearing that ran out of lubrication. It was either a cheap part, a defective part, or has a lot of use on it (Holding the clutch down at traffic lights for example tortures the poor bearing among other things)

I'd guess the clutch slave cylinder or throwout bearing, probably both. Happened to my friend's Chevy S10, made the same sound and the throwout bearing was destroyed and the slave cylinder was bad.

I know I know.

The clutch is screwed (or iirc a part inside it)

this happened to my Grandad's Skoda it lost drive completely couldn't change gears and the clutch pedal was solid. Get the garage you take it to to come tow it. It sounds a bit more major than my Grandad's so you may be inline for a new clutch.

Oh and no cause just wear. It's an old car it was bound to happen.

I'm going to go with thrust bearing

My mate has very kindly offered to lend me one of these so i can at least get it to a garage.



His has a beaver tail about 2 foot longer than the one in the pic, and a bloody huge electric winch that successfully pulled a 2.8 v6 mk2 granada estate out of long grass that had all 4 brakes seized solid up onto it so it should make easy work out of a little miata!

My cousins husband has also leant me one of these, so at least im mobile again.



What a beauty lol

I cant see the vid.... But what ur describing also sounds like the planataries have come apart....... Usually when the clutch is out, makes alot of noise and wont do anything.

Or your syncs have took a dump, or the throwout is gone, or the clutch fork twisted, bent, broke, got crossed up. Theres so many things it could be man

Quote from danthebangerboy :

My mate has very kindly offered to lend me one of these so i can at least get it to a garage.



His has a beaver tail about 2 foot longer than the one in the pic, and a bloody huge electric winch that successfully pulled a 2.8 v6 mk2 granada estate out of long grass that had all 4 brakes seized solid up onto it so it should make easy work out of a little miata!

My cousins husband has also leant me one of these, so at least im mobile again.



What a beauty lol

ive seen them winches tow stupid loads ( ford seirra p100 with atleast a ton of cement on the back, with no issues )

have you any updates as to what actually broke ?

Don't diss a Nissan Micra, it's actually quite good.

Maybe if you had backfire sound mod on your computer.... You accidentally installed it on your LX6 in real life..?

Sorry, I have no idea about cars, I just thought I'd share what I thought I heard

But it sounds like you striped the gearbox.. But i don't know.

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unds like you striped the gearbox.. But i don't know.

Helpful help is helpful.

already said in post your car thread,from the sound its either a broken clutch plate ot throw out bearing. and also dont keep revving coz something gonna shoot thru the gearbox. frikkin tow it to a car shop !

Time to upgrade to the later version 6 speed? ;D

The gearbox is OK, its just the clutch by the looks of it, as i now have another car to tide me over, the 5 was in the way where it was, so after pushing it back a bit i tried something, i managed to get 1st gear with the engine off, so i turned the key with it in 1st and it moved!

So i kept it moving, steered around the small fence and went over to the left, then turned her off, got reverse, started her again and trundled back while turning it so its now at the end of the driveway but crossways alongside the garden shed which makes it easier to get other cars in and out.

It now has a tarpaulin over it and awaits attention whilst i save up some money!

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Time to upgrade to the later version 6 speed? ;D

and why would he want to do that?

When you do find out what caused it, tell me so I can make sure the same thing doesn't happen to my '5!