There was this guy in a FOX race on SO classic some time ago, he left his car standing at the exit of the narrow chicane for the whole race.
When he finally answered to all the people yelling to get his car out of the way he said he got a telephone call. He got upset at everybody, because "for sure he couldn't just let the phone ring" illepall

its time for the all pupose phrase again

common sense please

if you crash, spin etc and are either out of way or have time to move before anyone comes then carry on

if your on racing line and someone is close behind then do them a favour and shift s, after all you'd like them to do it for you

agree with an earlier post though, its amazing how many times you can get caught up in a first corner incident, straighten up and carry on last eyt after 10 laps be second or even first purely because everyone else pits when they have a crash. good news for me but it makes you wonder why more people dont carry on after a bump as it takes a fair amount of damage to make a car undrivable

I use shift-s at SO Classic chicane without a second thought. I dont think I get out of my pram too much when other drivers dont, but on that corner, I wish they would...

I would like shift-s/reset etc to be disbleable at the server side.

Quote from tinvek :

its time for the all pupose phrase again

if your on racing line and someone is close behind then do them a favour and shift s, after all you'd like them to do it for you

I don't agree with that. When I'm close behind another driver and he makes a mistake I will try to get around him. If that doesn't work, well... then it doesn't. This happens in real racing and so it happens in LFS world. I will never ever get pissed on the other guy just because he makes a mistake and accidentally takes me with him or whatever. That's racing. So I don't expect them to shift-s and I will not do that either. Part of racing is excepting that shit happens sometimes and sometimes noone is to blame.

Imagine this: you're on lap 18 of a 20 lap race, and you're battling for first with the other guy, the rest of the field seconds behind. Should the guy in front of you just shift-s if he spins on the line, thereby completely ruining his race since he can still move on and finish second or third? I don't think that's reasonable.

Although I make exceptions for certain tracks. Yes, like the chicane in SO classic, I will get out of there as soon as possible even if I have to shift-s.

actually i probably should have been a bit more specific, what i intended to mean was if your on racing line and theres no where for people to go without going off the course themselves, obvious place is the aforementioned chicane or, and this one really "upsets" me even though its not strictly on racing line, is when someone manages to end up sideways across pit exit road, between barriers at so city or blackwood

Quote from Becky Rose :

I would like shift-s/reset etc to be disbleable at the server side.

This seems to me the most sensible option, people will always have different points of view, and if u dont like Shift-S, go in a server with it disabled.

Although there could be problems with people limping back to pits at 1mph, this could be solved with simple engine damage, if you ram the front end of your car too hard, your engine becomes too damaged and cuts out? then we wont see people driving with bonnets smashed back to behind the front wheels

i dont shift - S when i crash.. due to that is racing.. if i crash or someone else in front of me crashes, and it there is a multicar pile up.. that is racing..

thinking about it i dont have problem with people im racing with its the new drivers learnign cars / tracks and being 2 mins off pace that are infuriating when they sit there or even worse try to rejoin and clip you

I have two thoughts and opinions on the shift-s topic. They are different depending on the type of race you are in.

First, during the week, I like quick and short 5 lappers. I log on for maybe 2 hours and the 5 lappers allow me to quickly be racing and have many of them in the short time I have. In this situation, I feel that shift-S is a must if you have a bad wreck. You're not going to limp back to the pits, fix the car, and get back out to battle and have a good finish. Why ruin it for someone coming up fast as you are spun out and/or badly damaged when there's going to be another race in 5 more minutes?

The second situation is, of course, longer races, organized, and league racing. I don't like to see folks shift-S in these races as they are not just quick-get-going-and-have-a-bit-of-fun racing. This is where the realism comes in. Wrecks and spun cars are a part of racing. If I spin in a long/league race, I'll either just sit tight if the cars are close together so I don't surprise anyone with my moves, or if close to the side, back up to get a bit out of the way until it is clear for me to recover. Especially in league racing where it tends to be an hour or more long.

In NAL at AS Historic reverse, I was wrecked and very badly damaged. Of course, I did not want to just quit as it was a league race, and of course as luck would have it, it was right at pit exit! I ended up limping around the track, very badly damaged and very difficult to control. As I saw the pack coming to lap me, I pulled off and continued on my way in the grass well away from the race. Eventually I made it back to the pits losing I think 3 laps to the field. But, I didn't quit, it was league. Had to finish, even if it was a terrible finish.

Was reset mentioned here? As for reset, I don't think it should even be an option. Nothing is worse than obeying the yellow, seeing a car spun, cautiously avoiding it, just to have him reset right on top of you. NEVER EVER reset when you spin when involved in a race. At least if you make the mistake of trying to recover when you should just sit tight, other's can get warning of it by possibly seeing and interpreting your intentions. But reset is just instantaneous and there is no warning to other racers coming up behind.