A car should get you from Point A to Points B thats all.
If a car does what you want it to do then buy it.
Speeds values stats its all irrelevent if it wont do what "YOU" want it to do.

I wouldnt go for the 1.4 turbo astra, Its slow as shit. Went for a test drive in one with a mate and he ended up getting the 1.6 turbo instead... Still not too fast either.

Also the Astra is huge, Almost like an mpv inside with a huge long dashboard and extra windows in front of the doors, Not really sporty at all and had nothing but problems with the electric handbrake and seatbelt warning lights. The red lights inside look terrible too, Like someone has riced up the interior with LED's. They are everywhere and looks stupid at night with red glows everywhere lighting the place up..

Depends on what are you going to use the car for. If you want to get from point A to point B the in the most comfortable way possible, then based on your description megane is the best choice.
Need I not remind you that the streets aren't a race track, so it really doesn't matter if car X is faster in 0-100km/h by 2 seconds compared to car Y.
Other thing is, if you're going to use it on the track as well. Then I'd buy me the megane for comfortable driving around and an old banger for the track. :P

thanks for all the replies so far people keep it coming

How about an MX5/MR2 or Punto GT? (budget options)
or Integra Type R if you wanna splash the cash.

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

VW or Opel without a doubt. And pretty please forget Renault!
(damn the front of the Astra looks good!)

As they told u, forgot about the Renault .. For me it is levels behind his opponents in this case. (Megane RS is another thing)

The comparison between Astra and Polo is not very good because they are in different classes, you should compare the Polo GTi with Corsa D OPC/VXR and the Astra with Golf VI.

In this case I'll choose the Astra but probably 1.6T, the Polo is faster probably smoother with better handling but I'm in love with the design of the new Astra /and mk3 gsi addicted/ and it is newer model..

So for me in this case you should choose Astra GTC 1.6T, if not get the Polo /im sure its fun to drive it/.

As kars said, for me 20k are much money for such cars, yes they're new but for these money...

Try driving both cars and choose by tests, don't listen our opinions.

Quote from anttt69 :

How about an MX5/MR2 or Punto GT? (budget options)
or Integra Type R if you wanna splash the cash.

i would never buy a performance car in second hand. i bet all of them are all thrashed cuz ppl buy them to drive fast! why would i spend my money on a fast used car? besides, dont forget the fuel consumptions. ps: fiat is shit --" i've swore to never have 1 ever again

Quote from AudiBG :

As they told u, forgot about the Renault .. For me it is levels behind his opponents in this case. (Megane RS is another thing)

The comparison between Astra and Polo is not very good because they are in different classes, you should compare the Polo GTi with Corsa D OPC/VXR and the Astra with Golf VI.

In this case I'll choose the Astra but probably 1.6T, the Polo is faster probably smoother with better handling but I'm in love with the design of the new Astra /and mk3 gsi addicted/ and it is newer model..

So for me in this case you should choose Astra GTC 1.6T, if not get the Polo /im sure its fun to drive it/.

As kars said, for me 20k are much money for such cars, yes they're new but for these money...

Try driving both cars and choose by tests, don't listen our opinions.

i've had two astras before :P and 1 corsa. the reason why im not comparing polo to the seat ibiza cupra or corsa opc is cuz both of them are much more expensive, spend less fuel and are slower lol

Rich bastard!

If i had that amount of money, i'd buy old car, and mod it to fit my needs. I've being working on and driving plenty of new cars recently. I was CRYING in despair, when driving them, especially if they were autos. Old cars FTW, cheap, better looks and full potential to mod them and make something cool out of them, because making something by yourself is much, much better.

Example: Subaru Legacy Mk1 Turbo, moar boost, forged internals, stronger clutch and gearbox(MANUAL), rollcage, streghtened chassis, proper suspension, stripped interior, no A/C, radio, or other capitalist junk. MUCH better than those new shitboxes made to carry rich fat asses looking like this >> http://www.enginelounge.com/wp ... nt/uploads/2009/10/JC.jpg




Sorry, i'm stoner.

Quote from Nyoxx :

i would never buy a performance car in second hand. i bet all of them are all thrashed cuz ppl buy them to drive fast! why would i spend my money on a fast used car? besides, dont forget the fuel consumptions. ps: fiat is shit --" i've swore to never have 1 ever again

You seem to forget that performance cars are DESIGNED to be driven fast.

Forget fuel consumption - on a new car depreciation will be the biggest killer.

If I had €25k burning a whole in my pocket I would not be getting a hatchback.

Quote from Jakg :

You seem to forget that performance cars are DESIGNED to be driven fast.

Forget fuel consumption - on a new car depreciation will be the biggest killer.

If I had €25k burning a whole in my pocket I would not be getting a hatchback.

i'm not looking for a performance car. im lookin for a car i can use daily without spending much fuel and that can be fast aswell. lol

Why care about spending much fuel? Saving money? In that case, depreciation as mentioned will be much more expensive than any amount of gas you will be using.

How about a DS3 150THP
I think, it's looking great, it's very practical, very nice interior, very nice seats, not that expensive, not hard on the bumps, smaller than the megane, great engine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE-Pgs1wBxw
Of course DS3 racing is even better, but it's limited and expensive.

I don't have the money so i have a 750 Eur Citroen ZX Not very powerful but maybe the best riding hatchback that handles great too, but if i had the money - definitely DS3 150THP or if i want a bit bigger car DS4 200THP

Do you have a race track nearby? If yes - i suggest you to buy a bit boring cheap practical car, and with the remaining money buy an old car and make it a trackday car. Look briefly at that thread - http://www.bimmersport.co.nz/f ... index.php?showtopic=22724
There are only a few pages, look at the pics of the car and how it evolved.

Quote from wolfshark :

How about a DS3 150THP
I think, it's looking great, it's very practical, very nice interior, very nice seats, not that expensive, not hard on the bumps, smaller than the megane, great engine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE-Pgs1wBxw
Of course DS3 racing is even better, but it's limited and expensive.

I don't have the money so i have a 750 Eur Citroen ZX Not very powerful but maybe the best riding hatchback that handles great too, but if i had the money - definitely DS3 150THP or if i want a bit bigger car DS4 200THP

Do you have a race track nearby? If yes - i suggest you to buy a bit boring cheap practical car, and with the remaining money buy an old car and make it a trackday car. Look briefly at that thread - http://www.bimmersport.co.nz/f ... index.php?showtopic=22724
There are only a few pages, look at the pics of the car and how it evolved.

yes the ds3 is indeed amazing hehe love the looks of it! kinda short on the back seats though, and the fuel consumption is awesome. but its the option i did not mention lol =P very nice post u got there mate

id go for the polo, but id change the seat material because it looks like burberry :P

Quote from KiRmelius :

no A/C, radio, or other capitalist junk.

:ices_rofl
Well i love to spend some time with my favourite tunes and in 23c on longer trips in a not so noisy shitbox when it's 35c outside(on longer trips at my work)...but it's up to taste tho...

Quote from -NightFly- :

:ices_rofl
Well i love to spend some time with my favourite tunes and in 23c on longer trips in a not so noisy shitbox when it's 35c outside(on longer trips at my work)...but it's up to taste tho...

me wants a comfy car with a decent engine, not some raw chassis with wheels engine and doors xD

I wouldn't buy any of those cars for those outrageous prices. You're paying BMW or Audi prices for a car that is neither luxurious nor fast.

27k euro ~ $40,000 American dollars. For some reference, the Astra is basically the same car as the chevrolet Cruze, which can be bought here for ~$15,000 or 11,000 euros.

Most people here are telling you to buy a second hand car because the quality of car you get for the price where you live is absolutely unacceptable. Remember, the status symbol of the 21st century is not a bland new car, it's being free of debt. You posted here for advice, there you have it.

Quote from Nyoxx :

me wants a comfy car with a decent engine, not some raw chassis with wheels engine and doors xD

Except track cars, some Japanese pocket rocket and vintage convertibles, basically every car out there is comfortable. Unless you have no bone on your bottom.

Quote from flymike91 :

I wouldn't buy any of those cars for those outrageous prices. You're paying BMW or Audi prices for a car that is neither luxurious nor fast.

27k euro ~ $40,000 American dollars. For some reference, the Astra is basically the same car as the chevrolet Cruze, which can be bought here for ~$15,000 or 11,000 euros.

Most people here are telling you to buy a second hand car because the quality of car you get for the price where you live is absolutely unacceptable. Remember, the status symbol of the 21st century is not a bland new car, it's being free of debt. You posted here for advice, there you have it.

New cars = expensive. The US has very very cheap new cars, Portugal doesn't.

Quote from JJ72 :

Except track cars, some Japanese pocket rocket and vintage convertibles, basically every car out there is comfortable. Unless you have no bone on your bottom.

HEY my ass is just fine LOL xD

Quote from flymike91 :

I wouldn't buy any of those cars for those outrageous prices. You're paying BMW or Audi prices for a car that is neither luxurious nor fast.

27k euro ~ $40,000 American dollars. For some reference, the Astra is basically the same car as the chevrolet Cruze, which can be bought here for ~$15,000 or 11,000 euros.

Most people here are telling you to buy a second hand car because the quality of car you get for the price where you live is absolutely unacceptable. Remember, the status symbol of the 21st century is not a bland new car, it's being free of debt. You posted here for advice, there you have it.

you do have a point man ... but it's always been like this >.< ever since i was a kid, yes i know this country is messed up! but what am i to do? people here are retarded, if u search for a decent second hand car, theres like 2 in 1000 .. its rly hard to find. i even thought of importing cars but the taxes would end up ****ing me up one way or another

I can get you a 01-02 Lexus Gs300 for 1000 euros if you want... just drive it home...

Quote from Jakg :

on a new car depreciation will be the biggest killer.

I think if I wanted to buy a 'new' car I would buy a 6 month / 1 year old one, that had done < 5000 miles. You still get a car that is in practically new condition, and you still get a good chunk of manufacturers warranty, but avoid the massive depreciation

For example, my dad is currently selling a 2010 60 Reg Volvo V60 for £23,000 - the new price of the car is ~£35,000.

I know you need a certain number of mugs to buy new cars in order to supply the used car market later down the line, but I still don't get people who go out and buy brand new cars. In my opinion, the option of customising the features/extras of your car is not worth the premium you pay.

in your dad's case it cost him 10,000 euros to order premium floor mats or something. I agree, the people who buy new cars are either very rich or very dumb or both.

I know that United Arab Emirates has new car prices that are lower than the US. I would definitely drive from UAE to anywhere in Europe to save ~20,000 euros.