As someone has in their sig (Becky?) "Racing is a disease, for which the only cure, and primary symptom, is poverty."
As someone has in their sig (Becky?) "Racing is a disease, for which the only cure, and primary symptom, is poverty."
**** FWD, RWD is somuch more fun
go grab an old rolla, Ke30/Ke70 etc
edit; nevermind, that was before i realised it was sam93 and that he wants to also use a rally car as a daily. lol.
go grab an old rolla, Ke30/Ke70 etc
edit; nevermind, that was before i realised it was sam93 and that he wants to also use a rally car as a daily. lol.
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by Klutch
Well, that's true, and it confirms my point actually:
poverty's the cure = you're too poor to afford to do it, thus you are cured.
poverty's the symptom = It'll cost a lot, so even if you can afford it, you won't have much money left for other things.
If you get a FWD, you might as well chop your balls off or get yourself "fixed". Don't need them, you will have proven them worthless.
FWD: Golf, Corsa, Fiesta, Ka, Lupo, Clio, 106, 206, Astra, Kadett/Nova ...
RWD: S13-S14 (lots of parts available), E30, E36, Starlet (but those get rare and expensive), AE86, 3-series Compact, Mitsu Starion (XRG :P)
AWD: Impreza, old Evos, Audis should be too heavy and boaty, whatever AWD versions you can get of cars (seen an old AWD Civic Wagon doing rallying, pretty light car, but went through a viscous coupler a rally ...)
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http://forums.nicoclub.com/off ... -in-the-dirt-t457229.html
just remembered I have this in my bookmarks. Very informative and a good read altogether. I guess a N/A S13 is cheap to get in the UK, since all the drifter go for turbos
RWD: S13-S14 (lots of parts available), E30, E36, Starlet (but those get rare and expensive), AE86, 3-series Compact, Mitsu Starion (XRG :P)
AWD: Impreza, old Evos, Audis should be too heavy and boaty, whatever AWD versions you can get of cars (seen an old AWD Civic Wagon doing rallying, pretty light car, but went through a viscous coupler a rally ...)
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http://forums.nicoclub.com/off ... -in-the-dirt-t457229.html
just remembered I have this in my bookmarks. Very informative and a good read altogether. I guess a N/A S13 is cheap to get in the UK, since all the drifter go for turbos
Reason why I said Daily because if I go to a certain club they hold rallies in lanes I know like the back of my hand and push cars through there already. But obviously when rallying you are pushing even harder! Been speaking to a mate and he is up for doing it, so we will be getting a car that can be trailored everywhere 
Just thinking either a Nova or Corsa for the minute or biting the bullit and going out and get an Evo 2
Just thinking either a Nova or Corsa for the minute or biting the bullit and going out and get an Evo 2
Forget the AE86
Ke70 shares the same chassis which means any ae86 suspension part bolts straight in. Ke70's are also QUARTER the price of an ae86, theres no point unless you want to be an attention whore and have everyone go "OH WOW ITS TAKUMI!"
However, most KE70's in europe (if you even manage to even find one that hasn't been scrapped a long time ago) look like this these days :
Whereas AE86's might have been kept a little bit better, and being newer, are in better condition.
Whereas AE86's might have been kept a little bit better, and being newer, are in better condition.
most of E90s look like that, what to talk about KE70's... Rust loves toyotas for some strange reasons...
Tell you what, get a FWD rally car and go for a spin around a forest and you tell me if you don't need balls. People who say that have only ever watched racing on TV.
how old is the daihatsu charmant? >_>
I think people are missing the point here. I don't really think it's about what drive-train a car has or what brand it is. At the end of the day, you'll still have fun and enjoy the experience. What matters here is to get something cheap, durable and with a lot of parts available on the market.
You're British and you'll more then likely do your rallying in Britain so I believe a British car would be your best bet at having all of the above. Perhaps something like a zetec would be great? They're known to be durable, lots of parts available and are as cheap as the cars they usually come in.
You're British and you'll more then likely do your rallying in Britain so I believe a British car would be your best bet at having all of the above. Perhaps something like a zetec would be great? They're known to be durable, lots of parts available and are as cheap as the cars they usually come in.
Sierra!
First choose a series/form of motorsport you want to take part in, then budget everything. Don't even think about the car until you've chosen what you want to do with it.
If your budget is £2000 then forget about stage rallying. Road rallies, gymkhanas, autosolos and autotests all cater for standard road cars. Try some cheap motorsport and you'll probably soon know what car and modifications you want to make.
They shouldn't be. Endurance rallying in the UK requires cars to be fitted with a roll cage, but bans helmets on the (competitive) road sections and does not mandate their use on selectives (stages). If the drivers head (with or without helmet) is able to contact the rollcage tubing then something is dangerously wrong with the design of the rollcage, seating position or driver restraints.
If your budget is £2000 then forget about stage rallying. Road rallies, gymkhanas, autosolos and autotests all cater for standard road cars. Try some cheap motorsport and you'll probably soon know what car and modifications you want to make.
They shouldn't be. Endurance rallying in the UK requires cars to be fitted with a roll cage, but bans helmets on the (competitive) road sections and does not mandate their use on selectives (stages). If the drivers head (with or without helmet) is able to contact the rollcage tubing then something is dangerously wrong with the design of the rollcage, seating position or driver restraints.
Well, that's true. But I have yet to see someone strapping himself up properly in a five or six point harness on daily commutes.
But then, even without a rollcage, the incorrect, read too loose, use of a racing harness is less safe than an ordinary three point seatbelt.
I didn't know the Ke70 was even available in europe, the AE86 was, and is a well known contender in both rally and hillclimb. Plus I don't think anyone except serious car nuts with a soft spot for JDM know Initial-D here.
We are looking into what series we want to do. Road rallying does seem to stick out, most places down my way do this to keep it cheap, usually on farms/country lanes around here.
I would love to do it, but its getting my mate to look at all my research as he yet to have the time. If not interested I would most likely get into doing BDC as my mate aint keen on it as he is yet to learn how to drift where as I already can lol. But BDC is a lot more expensive I should imagine unless you use a BMW. If was to use a S13, after caging it etc... Then got the price of tyres which I can get cheap anyway (branded part worns) but then £675 season fee, which to be fair isn't bad and would be doing a good championship. But if was to use a S13 would have the lovely suffer from bottom end knock of a C18DET Lol!
I see you have 340 in your display pic, what I mainly used to learn to drift in ahahahaha, apart from a purpose built drift kit car that was used to teach people in a car that will snap side to side easily.
If you can drive a rwd rally car in ireland/england with our weather as nice as it is now, flat out....
I'll give you litterally anything you want.
But i know you can't and won't on the basis that you fail to comprehend the Complexity of a short budget big dreams.
Same have you looked at Quarry/field rallys or Rally X....
Rally cross can be done for next to nothing, if you write the car off, strip it for parts and get another one for next to nothing ( hence the Frenchies; 106 for 50 quid, or two for 100... you're set )
RWD cars rarely stand a chance against FWD in the lower rally classes. Simply because modern RWD cars (where you can find them with small enough engine capacities) are a waste of space for rallying, they are all far too big and heavy. Older RWD cars are fun and cheap but they are normally stuck with less powerful older engines and primitive suspension options in restrictive budget classes.
The most competitive 1.4 rally car for road/endurance events is a Rover 214/25 (bubble shape), nothing else can match its power with standard engine rules.
A Micra can also make a quick autotest and road rally car.
Golf - not a popular rally car choice in the UK despite their popularity in other motoring circles. Mk2 GTI make a good cheap road rally car but they are not very strong, smaller engined variants are too under powered to make logical choice. Mk3 GTI could become a cheap 'consumable' type car for road events given how cheap they are, however I have never seen one compete.
Corsa - (much) cheaper to buy and fairly similar to a Nova, but slightly worse in every way.
Fiesta - rarely seen, I think a mk3 would be probably be weak and uncompetitive. Mk1/2 are out of cheap car territory for a decent example, going to need a lot of work to get one strong enough for rallying. There are a lot of ex-race cars hanging about that may make a suitable base for stage rallying.
Ka - would seem like a logical choice for under 1.4 classes, however, I seem to remember reading in this book that it is quite a difficult car to modify for rallying, best avoided (but buy that book!).
Lupo - never seen one, not sure why.
Clio - mk1 potentially quick as a 2.0 litre stage car, will need a lot of work to stop it falling apart though and certainly wouldn't make a budget daily rally car. Mk2 is poorly built and truly dreadful in standard form. I'm currently driving and rallying a 1.2 mk2 Clio (long story...) and certainly wouldn't recommend it over the other FWD options. The 2.0 mk2 Clios can make a very good stage car but they will need a lot of work.
106 - a good option, although pretty weak and rot prone. A mk1 1.3 Rallye is a popular road/endurance choice. Not as good as a 205 though.
206 - Waste of space, rally a 106 or a 205.
Astra - too big as a 1.4 (although there are some competing), could make a cheap 2.0 litre road rally car.
Nova - popular choice for stage rallying, getting a bit expensive to make a cheap road car.
S13/S14 - never seen or heard of one rallying, probably far too big to be much use down British lanes. Not sure how strong they'd be either, given their popularity and cheap tuning parts from the drift scene I'd imagine they're not that much use for rallying.
E30 - won't be competitive against FWD cars but good fun cheap and strong. They have a dedicated stage series for them in the UK and make popular road cars.
E36/compact - even less competitive than an E30 against FWD stuff, make a good budget choice for a road car and would make a decent daily as well. Don't forget only 2.0 litre engines are eligible for road rallying.
Starlet - simply awesome. There are a lot of them rallying in Barbados. Can be genuinely competitive in modified classes but we're talking pukka Escort money. The only RWD Starlet current listed on Pistonheads is a rolling shell at £3000.
4WD turbo rally replicas are not rally cars. They'll need an awful lot of work and bills to become reliable rally cars, doubly so if you start with a used and abused cheap example. Bills for a turbo and the three diffs would probably fund a season of FWD rallying. They're not eligible for road rallying either.
I commute daily in a car with four point harnesses, and they're never loose!
The 340 makes a strong little road rally car, even in 1.4 form it's fun to drive and requires little more than a good service, polybushes and a sump guard before you can go rallying without too much worry, it doesn't fall apart like FWD boxes. It's currently off the road for a conversion to a 1.8 F7P engine
Cheers all for the replies. Be nice to get into Motorsport as always wanted to get involved with it, used to do motocross but I got bored of it and want to try 4 wheels, as when I tried 2 wheels I was winning a lot in motocross lol.
Some of the prices though to do some series you need some (mind my french) mega ****ing money. A lad I know who has raced Formula Renault and also now racing a G55 in the British GT Championship pays around £100k a year to race, but can get some backing from sponsors. It seems that its money that stops people getting in. Would always love to see what I would be like on a track and others would like to as I ain't scared at all to pushing a car and always have a smile on my face when doing it. So deffo a passion to do. The lad I know who races, he is obviously good at where he races in, but I think it's mainly money as he crashed a lot in Formula Renault Championship lol.
I think a year of working will pay off hard. Also whilst in this thread I might aswell ask, anyone know where can get trained up as a Motorsport Engineer/technician instead of going to college, done a year in college and I would rather do it whilst working. Yes, I know if wanted to go into high level I would have to go Uni but high end doesn't bother me, as long as doing what I love. Although I know Prodrive do apprenticeships, but can't find much information on it lol
Some of the prices though to do some series you need some (mind my french) mega ****ing money. A lad I know who has raced Formula Renault and also now racing a G55 in the British GT Championship pays around £100k a year to race, but can get some backing from sponsors. It seems that its money that stops people getting in. Would always love to see what I would be like on a track and others would like to as I ain't scared at all to pushing a car and always have a smile on my face when doing it. So deffo a passion to do. The lad I know who races, he is obviously good at where he races in, but I think it's mainly money as he crashed a lot in Formula Renault Championship lol.
I think a year of working will pay off hard. Also whilst in this thread I might aswell ask, anyone know where can get trained up as a Motorsport Engineer/technician instead of going to college, done a year in college and I would rather do it whilst working. Yes, I know if wanted to go into high level I would have to go Uni but high end doesn't bother me, as long as doing what I love. Although I know Prodrive do apprenticeships, but can't find much information on it lol
If you want to be a grease monkey for a race team you'd need to be a grease monkey anyway. Fast fit mechanic (so the sort of course the Army does in colleges, only a year long, but you have to work fast, hence the name), is a good place to start, then go to race events and volunteer your services, you'd need to do this for a year or so until you can start asking teams for money. So really you want to get a job in a garage first to gain knowledge, then on the weekend you can volunteer your time to a small outfit.
Ive already had places to start in the new year but cant as I've left where I was living when doing a course in Motorsport Engineering. I could most likely do it again but would involve moving back to Wiltshire really to do. I'm more hands on then sitting there on CAD
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