Quote from BlueFlame :

Then do you not think the spirit of NASCAR reflects America's people badly?

Since the majority of the world sees you guys as gun nuts or gung ho hicks ready for a fight?

Bad is an opinion, and my opinion is no, but that's only my opinion.

Gun nuts, well, I suppose you'd be correct. I know crime rates would go way down if most people carried a small firearm and everybody knew it. Those conviced of crimes or insane won't be allowed to have them obviously.

In any event, contact is very much a part in all but open wheel series. Racing is an art and contact just adds a whole new dimension to it, and that adds excitment in my opinion. I am aware that your opinion disagrees however.

Quote from DeKo :

Anyway, there is far more bump and run, rubbing, crashing etc in the BTCC and WTCC than there is in Nascar. Does that make them dicks too?

Exactly, bump and run hasn't been in NASCAR in years tbh. It's a cowardly move, hence the name, and had nothing to do with crashing/spinning/wrecking etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysI2xmm_4Q

Classic example really. It was known highly at Bristol because that was your last option to attempt a pass. If you couldn't get a run on someone, or you couldn't get them loose, then your last option was just to give them a slight tap in the middle of the corner. This normally happened when you had been behind the same car for multiple laps and you felt you were being held up. Once you made the move on someone, you better be able to pull away, if not you are going to be pushed out of the way yourself.

BTW calling Americans hicks is about as intelligent as calling someone from the UK Scottish.

Quote from PMD9409 :

BTW calling Americans hicks is about as intelligent as calling someone from the UK Scottish.

Especially because everyone knows that NASCAR races in redneck country, not hick country - that's IndyCars target audience.

Hicks are mostly into their sisters, don't get interested in too much else

IndyCar's moreso for the yanks, except Indy, which is definitely redneck country.

Quote from DeKo :

Does that make them dicks too?

Yes but anyway I don't know why you guys have thought my comment was an attack on America it was quite the opposite. I was just sayin y'all don't help the stereotype.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Yes but anyway I don't know why you guys have thought my comment was an attack on America it was quite the opposite. I was just sayin y'all don't help the stereotype.

We do a good job, no doubt. However you can't say that if you don't understand the concept to begin with.

Anyways, on topic. The guy who overruled the 48 penalty was completely expected to do just that. A GM CEO judging the biggest team of that manufacturer. That would be like the CEO of Ferrari judging penalties for their Ferrari team in F1.

http://motorsports-soapbox.blo ... with-plans-to-remake.html

Bristol goes back.

http://www.scenedaily.com/news ... _account_gets_hacked.html

Mark's a ****ing legend

I will never understand why his favorite music is rap.

Quote from PMD9409 :

We do a good job, no doubt. However you can't say that if you don't understand the concept to begin with.

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I obviously don't understand the concept. I just don't think making intentional contact with other competitors is fair.

Quote from PMD9409 :

I will never understand why his favorite music is rap.

Because Mark... err... Epic Swag don't give a ****

Well I explained it nicely before.

I'm not a big fan of the contact either, however it was known at the short tracks where passing high was never an option. In short though, touring cars and stock cars have fenders, and sometimes are not afraid to do some rubbing. I don't mind watching the rubbing a bit, but when it goes over the line I don't like it. The contact isn't what bothers me, it gets to the point of intentional spinning. I always thought the "payback" was silly.

If it makes you feel any better, that stuff has been taken care of quite a bit just the last year alone. Brian Vickers has no real ride after his behavior on track, and Kyle Busch lost the ability to run a Truck team and can't run a Gibbs car or equipment in the Nationwide series (even though he pays to run his own car). Plus the bumpers line up now in the Cup cars so when Bristol gets changed back to its old configuration the racing still won't be the same. People will find a way to complain, and it will be all NASCAR's fault, as always..

@RiseAgainstMe: If he comes on the screen with a crooked hat and chain on I'll flip a table.

Wtf the new bristol is awesome....

Quote from Mustangman759 :

Wtf the new bristol is awesome....

I don't beleive that the racing that the new Bristol has is as memorable as that of the old Bristol. That's the big difference.

I enjoy the racing at the new Bristol better, but you know there's alot of tracks where you can race side by side for laps. Make the track unique. There's only one other short track that the outside is not workable and that's Martinsville and its basically flat.

We already have something like the new Bristol in Richmond Motor Speedway

I fell asleep this year watching Bristol of course the previous day's heavy drinking shenanigans contributed, but during that incredibly long stretch of green in the middle, I just passed out.

Good, proper racing be damned. Make it unique again and make them rub a bit

Quote from PMD9409 :

Well I explained it nicely before.
The contact isn't what bothers me, it gets to the point of intentional spinning. I always thought the "payback" was silly.

This is true, and very much the core of my opinion.

Well since most of the world doesn't know that the track reconfiguration is all but official I went ahead and bought my August tickets today. Allison P - Row 35. Had it planned for a while, but the front strech would have sold out if I would have waited any longer.

Dover and Bristol this year. Bristol we basically just pay for gas and tickets since people we know camp there.

I'm about to pull the trigger on tickets too, might save a small amount of money and go for Pearson seats in Turn 1 but we'll probably just do front stretch tickets.

Quote from UncleBenny :

I'm about to pull the trigger on tickets too, might save a small amount of money and go for Pearson seats in Turn 1 but we'll probably just do front stretch tickets.

From the sound of it there aren't may left. The rep. I spoke to kept giving me seat locations, but then saying that there were only two in the location together.

I needed 4 seats, and they were hard to find but I suppose that they are still avalible on the front.

Quote from Cornys :

From the sound of it there aren't may left. The rep. I spoke to kept giving me seat locations, but then saying that there were only two in the location together.

I needed 4 seats, and they were hard to find but I suppose that they are still avalible on the front.

I'm just looking on stub hub, little more expensive than going straight through the speedway I'm sure but we need 4 together like you, and I don't mind paying a little more to sit in a decent spot. Everyone in my group just agreed on front stretch, so that's where we'll be. I'm wondering if Allison Row 23 is high enough to see the whole track? Don't want haulers blocking the backstretch.

Quote from UncleBenny :

I'm just looking on stub hub, little more expensive than going straight through the speedway I'm sure but we need 4 together like you, and I don't mind paying a little more to sit in a decent spot. Everyone in my group just agreed on front stretch, so that's where we'll be. I'm wondering if Allison Row 23 is high enough to see the whole track? Don't want haulers blocking the backstretch.

Row 18+ you'll see the whole track. Trust me, I walked the place after last year's Nationwide race scouting for next years tickets and 18+ almost everywhere gets the whole track. Row 20 is the ideal seat IMO

Thanks, I'm sure I've said it before here, the lower the better as long as you can see the whole track. I'll go with those seats, pretty sure they're almost right on the start finish line too.

Quote from UncleBenny :

Thanks, I'm sure I've said it before here, the lower the better as long as you can see the whole track. I'll go with those seats, pretty sure they're almost right on the start finish line too.

Very true . Wanna trade seats?

That's a negative ghost rider.

Quote from UncleBenny :

That's a negative ghost rider.

Understandable