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Then I'll provide an answer for you based on international law,

Thus an Iranian attack against Israel’s nuclear facilities would be legitimate for two reasons.
First, Israel already is conducting armed attacks under the plain meaning of Article 51 through Islamic terrorist surrogates such as the MEK so a de facto state of war exists between Israel and Iran.
Second, even if one questions whether armed attacks have occurred (by discounting Israel’s use of surrogates), Israel’s development of weapons of mass destruction constitutes an imminent, existential threat to Iran, all of Israel’s neighbors and the entire world.

Under customary international law, the Article 51 “armed attack” requirement that evokes a right of self-defense can occur when a state perceives that such an attack is “immediately impending and inevitable.” Thus, rather than waiting for an actual attack, a state may execute a preemptive strike on the hostile state.

Historically, two elements must be met to legitimize a preemptive strike: proportionality and necessity.
The necessity element is where attention is usually focused. The acting state must have exhausted all other alternatives of dealing with the problem, and the threat from the hostile state must be imminent. As with most preemptive strikes, imminence related to necessity will be the most contested issue in deciding the strike’s legality.
http://poorrichards-blog.blogs ... -for-striking-israel.html

Now, lets take a look at Israels current (ongoing) attack on Gaza, according to Israel " The Jerusalem Post, which functions as a virtual bulletin board for the Israeli army, told a similar story: "The IDF said it decided to bomb Qaisi’s car due to intelligence that he was plotting a large terrorist attack along the border with Egypt," the paper reported, "similar to the one the [Popular Resistance Committee] carried out last August that killed eight Israelis."

As is so often the case, the Israeli army is lying through its teeth. According to the army's own investigation of the Eliat attack last year, the attackers were not from Gaza as Israeli government spokespeople initially claimed -- they were Egyptian. The army's investigative findings were first reported by Alex Fishman, the military correspondent for the Israeli daily Yedioth Aharanoth, who had treated the earlier attempts to blame Gaza's Popular Resistance Committees for Eilat with extreme skepticism. Bloggers Idan Landau [Hebrew only], Richard Silverstein and Yossi Gurvitz also marshaled evidence shredding the army's case against Gaza.
Finally, in November, Egyptian security forces arrested the suspected mastermind of the Eilat plot, shattering the Israeli army's initial claims about Gazan culpability. By then, however, Israeli forces had already killed 30 Gazans in retaliation for an attack they had absolutely nothing to do with.
This weekend, the Israeli army reverted to falsely blaming Gazans for last August's Eilat attacks, contradicting its own investigation and heaps of evidence proving the attacks were planned in Egypt and carried out by Egyptians. The army has no proof that the men it assassinated on Friday -- Al-Qaissi and Al-Hannani -- were involved in the Eilat attacks, or that they were planning any military operations. So in order to manufacture a violent confrontation, the Israeli military simply concocted a lie that conceals what appears to be political considerations.
http://uruknet.com/?p=m86433&hd=&size=1&l=e


So, murdering people just because you can isn't genocide ?
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Honestly RacerX you could try to convince me all day long but it comes down to ideology. I cannot subscribe to or in any way accept the ideology of mainstream Islam in the Middle East. It is violent and unfair against women, especially young women. There is really no such thing as rule of law in a country that implements Sharia law. Sharia law is designed for secularized murder, fear, and oppression and every country should be united in overthrowing nations that use it as a farce of justice. If you they can have you executed for being gay or being raped or being a Christian/Hindu/not Muslim, then they are out of touch with modern civilization, and that country, ideology, and the people who believe in it will either change or be destroyed by the unstoppable force of progress.

Israel acts aggressively towards its neighbors, who have in the past acted more aggressively against Israel in two separate wars that Israel did not start... but Israeli courts don't sentence people to death by public stoning for not being Jewish, or not wearing the right hat. They don't systematically murder people for crimes that don't even exist in the first world such as adultery and heresy. In Israel you are allowed to be Muslim, or homosexual (LGBT rights are the most developed in the Middle East or Asia), or you can even speak out against the government with the right of free speech. Speaking out against the government in Syria or Iran means death. Whatever Israel does to its neighbors and vice versa is in the context of more than 70 years of war and conflict in which everyone is guilty of something. It just so happens that Israel keeps winning.

Someday the strength of the Israeli people will be tested again in a full-blown war, and I hope that next time, they will not bow the the US or any other country and keep for themselves whatever land they gain control over like every other country in the entire world has done in the past. You don't negotiate with the losers of a war, yet Israel was called to give land back to Syria and Egypt that it earned in blood during the 1967 Six Day War. It's as if the British decided that the American Revolution didn't go their way and they want go back to "pre-1775 borders."
Oh yeah the guy who got a trial and is alive today.
The trial was held in private - does that sound like a fair trial? The guy has been persecuted by the Israeli authorities for over 20 years. Israel is not a state that grants its people freedom of speech.
Quote from flymike91 :Oh yeah the guy who got a trial and is alive today.

So is Nelson Mandela or Aung San Suu Kyi. Please make your point.
The point is somewhere else in the Middle East he would be headless and forgotten. I'm not concerned with whether or not it was right to prosecute him, in fact it reminds me of Bradley Manning, who will face a private court martial this year for aiding the enemy. If you don't agree with the law that's a different story. Last summer more than 400,000 Israelis protested the government without being hit by mortar fire or massacred. Only countries that respect the rule of law give trials to people accused of treason and espionage.

What is the punishment for treason under Sharia law? Leaving Islam for another religion or no religion in considered a form of treason and punished by death, so you can imagine what they do to spies.

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