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because racer x
To be fair, these past two pages are probably the most rational and least insane I've ever seen him in a proper discussion on here.
Exactly.
No, the difference is that the jews didnt start shooting nazis
And the palestinians didn't start shooting jews until the UN, on command by the government of the USA, and a self-declared State of Israel, decided to create a Jewish country in a land where 2 in every 3 people were Arab (up to 9 out of 10 in certain areas, like Gaza and the West Bank), casually throwing everyone else out like they weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
I truely recomend reading this Israeli link, it's very informative.
http://www.richardsilverstein. ... people-die-you-dont-care/
And this is how interested the US and Israel actually are in peace.
The Israel Defense Forces didn’t just kill Hamas military leader Ahmed al-Jabari on Wednesday as he was driving his car down the street in Gaza. They killed him and then instantly posted the strike to YouTube. Then they tweeted a warning to all of Jabari’s comrades: “We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.”
Of course, the official Israeli obituary of Jabari leaves out a few rather meaningful items, like the fact that he was Israeli’s de facto partner and ally over the last several years. After Cast Lead, Israel and Hamas made a deal: the Islamic group would keep Gaza’s array of militant movements in check, and Israel would keep the aid trucks and the cash flowing. The man responsible for keeping the peace: Ahmed al-Jabari.
It worked for a while. But in recent weeks, the rockets began flying again, and Jerusalem became displeased with its “subcontractor,” as the ace Israel military observer Aluf Benn puts it. Jabari was openly warned to step it up, and then executed when he did not.
The message was simple and clear: You failed – you’re dead. Or, as Defense Minister Ehud Barak likes to say, “In the Middle East there is no second chance for the weak.”http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/idf-hamas-youtube/
And why isn't there a cease fire ?
Clinton spoke to reporters alongside Netanyahu at the prime minister's office in Jerusalem, offering Israel the support of the United States and expressing hope for a lasting peace. She thanked Egypt and especially Morsy for their efforts.
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri later said that Israel had not agreed to terms that would stop the fighting.
Similarly, Egypt's Morsy said the "travesty of the Israel aggression on Gaza will end in a few hours." But a few hours passed, and Morsy's office told CNN not to expect any announcement Tuesday night.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11 ... rike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
nothing about that is shocking or revelatory to me. Israel refused to accept Hamas' demands. Hamas continues to fire rockets...just another day. Israel has absolutely no responsibility to agree to a ceasefire when they have the upper hand in every regard.
As for Jabari, I'm not sure where you will find a precedent where high ranking military officers cannot be targeted in a military conflict.
I'm pessimistic about this, I think this kind of cold-and-hot will continue far into the future. For one, Israel needs more room and resources for their quickly advancing society. Palestine is the ultimate odd one out after Israel won the war in 1948 They need more room because of the population problems caused when every woman is expected to have 5-8 children while packed into 200 square miles.
As for Jabari, I'm not sure where you will find a precedent where high ranking military officers cannot be targeted in a military conflict.
I'm pessimistic about this, I think this kind of cold-and-hot will continue far into the future. For one, Israel needs more room and resources for their quickly advancing society. Palestine is the ultimate odd one out after Israel won the war in 1948 They need more room because of the population problems caused when every woman is expected to have 5-8 children while packed into 200 square miles.
Seig heil, seig heil, seig heil.
Juden raus..............
Do you have any idea what your saying ?
I doubt it, either that or you really are the complete arsehole your statement makes you out to be.
Try reading you post with a non slave trader attitude please.
Gaza is comprised primerally of Arabs cleared out of their homeland when Israel chose to ethnically cleanse their leibenstaum.
Juden raus..............
Do you have any idea what your saying ?
I doubt it, either that or you really are the complete arsehole your statement makes you out to be.
Try reading you post with a non slave trader attitude please.
Gaza is comprised primerally of Arabs cleared out of their homeland when Israel chose to ethnically cleanse their leibenstaum.
It really seems like the popular/hipster thing to do is support rebel causes/uprisings and the whole Palestinian conflict has been fapped over by hippies who think that the Jews are controlling the world.
Where would you rather go? Israel or the country with no official name? There's a reason why they are effectively outcast by ALL other countries governments because they are good for nothing scum just causing trouble with their shitty demands and bullshit extremism.
Where would you rather go? Israel or the country with no official name? There's a reason why they are effectively outcast by ALL other countries governments because they are good for nothing scum just causing trouble with their shitty demands and bullshit extremism.
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Gaza is a territory occupied by Israel.
Israel, a state founded on terror, believes that Nazi concentration camps are wonderful and run their occupied territories on that basis.
The Palistinians have a vote in front of the UN on the 29th of this month to finally be recognised as a state, after America and European countries sold them as slaves in 1948.
But, as their brown that's fine isn't it.
Do any of you have any idea of real history, not the programming served up to you daily in your media, but actual, real history ?
Try actually learning about reality before you quote the propaganda that many of you seem to think is true.
And, if you actually look, you'll find that there are major oil and gas deposits that Israel has decided are theirs, a lot like the US really.
But what's human life when the elite can see that theres money for them.
Strange how the same scum control both countries.
Israel, a state founded on terror, believes that Nazi concentration camps are wonderful and run their occupied territories on that basis.
The Palistinians have a vote in front of the UN on the 29th of this month to finally be recognised as a state, after America and European countries sold them as slaves in 1948.
But, as their brown that's fine isn't it.
Do any of you have any idea of real history, not the programming served up to you daily in your media, but actual, real history ?
Try actually learning about reality before you quote the propaganda that many of you seem to think is true.
And, if you actually look, you'll find that there are major oil and gas deposits that Israel has decided are theirs, a lot like the US really.
But what's human life when the elite can see that theres money for them.
Strange how the same scum control both countries.
Yeah, no.
Check an up to date map, the Palestinian territories are clearly marked, Israel does not control or reside in it. Instead of jumping to conspiracy theories and constant opinions of death and gloom why not open up the logic of the reality rather than the absurd?
Remember this, the Palestinians broke the armistice treaty of 1950 not the Israelis.
Israel has a blockade on the Gaza strip which is Palestine territory, and has control on its airspace and water, UN acknowledges Israel as the occupying power of Gaza strip, however Israel and some other party says otherwise.
if u look at the full history, both side has their faults, the origin of israel was indeed a zionist occupation of arab land, and hamas is now indeed provoking a reponse from israel, but it has to end somehow, the current generation cannot account for all the vengence left behind. trying to achieve balance by bombing each other is no answer really.
The situation can't be resolved while Western governments are still interfering. That's what caused the current situation and it's what's prolonging it.
Whether Israel can survive without its USA-funded military I don't know, but while it's a politically unwelcome thing to say, it seems Israel existing is the main problem.
Look at Rwanda and Sudan - sometimes the only solution is to let them kill eachother until they sort it out amongst themselves. Any intervention just prolongs the violence.
Whether Israel can survive without its USA-funded military I don't know, but while it's a politically unwelcome thing to say, it seems Israel existing is the main problem.
Look at Rwanda and Sudan - sometimes the only solution is to let them kill eachother until they sort it out amongst themselves. Any intervention just prolongs the violence.
problem is that you have a lot more nations tied in, and one side has access to nuclear weaponry.
One that doesn't work as the Palestinians have tunnels from Egypt to the Gaza strip and can and DO get anything they want through which includes rockets etc.
you think some tunnels can supply a state's need in daily materials?
They do. I found it hard to believe too but they are well made tunnels some with even the capacity for small vehicles to travel through them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G ... _tunnels#Tunnel_operators
That wouldn't equate a country's normal amount of import and export need still, by a long shot.
Well they're all still alive. For the meantime anyway....
Israel won its wars and deserves its land just as much as any other nation.
It is Egypt's fault that Palestinians had nowhere to go after they were defeated in the Yom Kippur war. Egyptians don't care enough about the conditions in Palestine enough to let them enter, they prefer to keep them suffering in Gaza as a thorn in Israel's side. The hostilities will continue as long as there are political reasons for keeping Palestine desperate.
To second-guess what is now history, Israel should have never returned the lands it acquired after winning the Six Day War. Returning them in exchange for peace and recognition obviously was pointless.
It is Egypt's fault that Palestinians had nowhere to go after they were defeated in the Yom Kippur war. Egyptians don't care enough about the conditions in Palestine enough to let them enter, they prefer to keep them suffering in Gaza as a thorn in Israel's side. The hostilities will continue as long as there are political reasons for keeping Palestine desperate.
To second-guess what is now history, Israel should have never returned the lands it acquired after winning the Six Day War. Returning them in exchange for peace and recognition obviously was pointless.
One important example of this is UN General Assembly Resolution 194(III) which demanded Israel respect the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and communities following the end of fighting in 1948. To this day, Israel has refused to allow the return of the vast majority of those refugees.
This violation of a General Assembly resolution is especially cruel in light of Israel awarding automatic citizenship to all Jews immigrating to Israel, calling that the "Right of Return", and then housing those people in the same neighborhoods and often actual homes of the Palestinians who, either were chased out by Israeli military forces, or who only left their homes themselves because they feared being harmed in the fighting. They have even done this to Palestinian people who fled the fighting or approaching Israeli military just to different areas within what became the State of Israel.
Keeping people from returning to their own homes and communities so that they also lost their livelihood, and their kids lost their schools, is a clear violation of their human rights and international humanitarian law (Geneva Conventions). Approximately 750,000 people suffered this fate.
But more serious is the fact that most of these people were chased out of their homes and communities by military forces, and then kept from returning - this is, by definition -- ethnic cleansing -- and this is a crime against humanity. Since 1910, the Zionist organizations that started the State of Israel, and then the Israeli government itself have practiced ethnic cleansing in a number of ways. Please see the Ethnic Cleansing section of this Study Guide for more details.
http://www.israellawresourcece ... aw/studyguides/sgil3i.htm
Mind you, I really don't expect you to actually bother with educating yourself(s) with facts.
They tend to disagree with your programming......
I will put it this way.
And I'll put it this way 
actions in defiance of the law, criminal anarchy, disreputable conduct, felonious connuct, havoc, illegal conduct, insidious behavior, insubordinaaion to the rule of law, irresponsible conduct, lawbreaking activity, mutinous conduct, outlawed conduct, rebellious conduct, recalcitrant conduct, revolutionary conduct, riotous behavior, seditious activity, subversive actions, uncontrolled actions, ungovernable actions, unlicensed behavior, unsuppressed conduct, untoward behavior, unwarrantable behavvor, wrongful action
http://legal-dictionary.thefre ... ary.com/International+Law
There is a broad international consensus that the actions of the nations involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict violate prohibitions contained in international law.[1][2][dead link] However, this legality is disputed by some of the nations involved.[3] Both the basis for international law and disagreement over its applicability in the case of the Arab-Israeli conflict is discussed below.
The conflict goes back to before the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and the founding of Israel (see History of the Arab-Israeli conflict).
As a result of the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel came to occupy large swaths of land invaded and occupied in 1948 by neighboring Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Following the peace treaties between Israel and Egypt and Israel and Jordan, the conflict today largely revolves around Palestinian statehood.
The main points of dispute (also known as the "core issues" or "final status issues") are the following:
the legality or otherwise of the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories, and their annexation of East Jerusalem and the Israeli West Bank barrier;
how legal borders should be decided between Israel and a Palestinian state;
the legal status of the Palestinian refugees from the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and subsequently.
The United Nations General Assembly has voted on a resolution bearing on issues of international law as applied to the conflict every year since 1974.[4] The most recent vote was held on November 30, 2010. The resolution entitled "Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine" was adopted by a recorded vote of 165 in favor to 7 against with 4 abstentions.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I ... %E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
And there's a vote on Palestine statehood on the 29th of Nov this year.
What sort of world do YOU want YOUR children to live in ?
Is a valid answer, but I suggest you use your imagination in this case.
actions in defiance of the law, criminal anarchy, disreputable conduct, felonious connuct, havoc, illegal conduct, insidious behavior, insubordinaaion to the rule of law, irresponsible conduct, lawbreaking activity, mutinous conduct, outlawed conduct, rebellious conduct, recalcitrant conduct, revolutionary conduct, riotous behavior, seditious activity, subversive actions, uncontrolled actions, ungovernable actions, unlicensed behavior, unsuppressed conduct, untoward behavior, unwarrantable behavvor, wrongful action
http://legal-dictionary.thefre ... ary.com/International+Law
There is a broad international consensus that the actions of the nations involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict violate prohibitions contained in international law.[1][2][dead link] However, this legality is disputed by some of the nations involved.[3] Both the basis for international law and disagreement over its applicability in the case of the Arab-Israeli conflict is discussed below.
The conflict goes back to before the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and the founding of Israel (see History of the Arab-Israeli conflict).
As a result of the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel came to occupy large swaths of land invaded and occupied in 1948 by neighboring Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Following the peace treaties between Israel and Egypt and Israel and Jordan, the conflict today largely revolves around Palestinian statehood.
The main points of dispute (also known as the "core issues" or "final status issues") are the following:
the legality or otherwise of the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories, and their annexation of East Jerusalem and the Israeli West Bank barrier;
how legal borders should be decided between Israel and a Palestinian state;
the legal status of the Palestinian refugees from the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and subsequently.
The United Nations General Assembly has voted on a resolution bearing on issues of international law as applied to the conflict every year since 1974.[4] The most recent vote was held on November 30, 2010. The resolution entitled "Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine" was adopted by a recorded vote of 165 in favor to 7 against with 4 abstentions.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I ... %E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
And there's a vote on Palestine statehood on the 29th of Nov this year.
What sort of world do YOU want YOUR children to live in ?
Is a valid answer, but I suggest you use your imagination in this case.
US Elections 2012
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