Quote from Shotglass :

not quite they have plenty of competition although at the low performance low power consumption end of the scale

Quote from Matrixi :

...If AMD dropped out completely from the mid- to high end markets, we would all be in deep sh*t very soon...

Quote from Shotglass :

also the 39 series is pretty much useless for anything other than scientific work or people which too much money to waste

Until Ivy-E comes later this year, it is a waste of money compared to 3770K, unless you need lots of PCIE lanes for SLI/crossfire + accessory cards that X79 mobos offer. Before you mention 3820, that wasn't available at the launch of X79 systems.

Quote from Shotglass :

not sure how you come up with those numbers since z77 motherboards are actually cheaper than 990fx ones and the rams bulldozer requires are a bit more expensive as well so i come up with a price difference of pretty much 0 for a complete system

I can admit that I didn't even really look at their prices that much. I know the 8350 is around 20€ cheaper than 3570K and assumed Z77 motherboards to be around that much more aswell. Regardless, bulldozer isn't worth it.

Quote from Matrixi :

If AMD dropped out completely from the mid- to high end markets, we would all be in deep sh*t very soon. Without AMD in the game, Intel would have no reason to keep pushing R&D forwards.

whoops

Quote from Matrixi :

Until Ivy-E comes later this year, it is a waste of money compared to 3770K, unless you need lots of PCIE lanes for SLI/crossfire + accessory cards that X79 mobos offer.

i could think of quite a few applications at work where a comparatively cheap quad channel 64gig (although thats still not enough really) hexacore system would come in handy

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I know the 8350 is around 20€ cheaper than 3570K and assumed Z77 motherboards to be around that much more aswell.

the cheapest ones of each are acrually about 10€ cheaper for z77
to get a roughly equivalent feature set youre looking at around 20-25€ more for the z77 but the whole discussion about bulldozer being so much cheaper falls flat on its face when you demand that the board has support for sli and what have you so a cheap z77 board that already comes with everything you really need is more than enough

Quote from Shotglass :

the cheapest ones of each are acrually about 10€ cheaper for z77
to get a roughly equivalent feature set youre looking at around 20-25€ more for the z77 but the whole discussion about bulldozer being so much cheaper falls flat on its face when you demand that the board has support for sli and what have you so a cheap z77 board that already comes with everything you really need is more than enough

What do you mean? I have had a bulldozer board that supports SLI and CrossFireX for I don't know how long.

But how expensive was it? Was it more expensive than the difference between an Intel board + comprable CPU?

What Shot is saying is that the bulldozer MB with similar features totally negates the savings by buying AMD for a CPU.

Quote from CheerioDM :

What do you mean? I have had a bulldozer board that supports SLI and CrossFireX for I don't know how long.

and how much use have youve been getting out of that feature?

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

What Shot is saying is that the bulldozer MB with similar features totally negates the savings by buying AMD for a CPU.

more importantly what im trying to say (apparently badly) is that if youre shopping amd because its a few euros cheaper youre not the demographic that has a desperate need for a board which supports more than 1 graphics card

Quote from Shotglass :

and how much use have youve been getting out of that feature?

That board was released just as I had the need for an AMD board that supports SLI. Before that I don't think there were any SLI AMD boards, but I could be mistaken, there may have been very few obscure brands with that feature. Had a single card for maybe 4 months than got the second one and couldn't be happier with the performance boost. My CPU so far has not been a bottleneck.

Quote from JackDaMaster :

I had a HD4670 for 3 years and it didn't once fail. On a HD6850 now for 1.5 years and it hasn't gone wrong. I don't know what you lot do with your cards to wreck them like you do.

Do you use the AMD overdrive thing? That has screwed me in the past.

Shit capacitors can quickly bork a card, and since they are made by 3rd party suppliers to your GFX card manufacturer they aren't always to the best standards.

Check your cards/motherboards for expanding capacitors regularly if they start ballooning it's time to buy something else.

It's evident in this thread that people don't experience a common pattern with how long your hardware lasts for it's basically just luck. As it is with pretty much any other product more or less.


I've had it more than once where capacitors have exploded (it sounds extreme but really they just expand to a certain point and then 'pop' open).

My ASUS A7N8X Deluxe board was made with cheap imitation caps and after about 4 years of use they started to expand and then leak a little. Fortunately there are many sites specifically for that board's cap problems and I was able to purchase the ones that should have been on there in the first place and a local guy was able to solder them perfectly after I failed at the attempt.

Personally, I'd just get a new circuit board rather than new capacitors but either way they can be a pain in the arse!