Quote from Anonymous41 :

We Brazilians can not afford a license of 50R$ and if they come here to tell us that we have conditions GO **** because they do not know what it's like to earn a very low minimum wage and get high taxes and we just want our peurelok back or we'll knock them down The servers one by one

- Don't generalize, there are lots of Brazilian LFS players with a license they actually bought
- I'm well aware of the materialistic inequalities in the world and I'm sorry, but attacking LFS won't solve it.

And the most important question of all: If you did have money to buy LFS, would you do it? Or would you use that money to buy something that is not as easy to steal as software?

Both sides have valid points. We need to accept each other. Legit users, keep the salt off this topic. Fix problems, or at least try to discuss them, not berate and shut them down.

It's saddening that as racing enthusiasts we're arguing over our passion.

@lfsp players, question for you guys,
- What's more important that you've lost now that LFSP is gone? Is it the Community, the Mods, the Activity? Or Price. Name but only name one. That's it.

Keep the discussions running, but please, stay civilised people

You seem to use the word "salty" quite a lot but if you would have contributed for the game as well, you might end-up seeing crackers making treats with quite a different perspective. These people clearly stole the game for a while and now they're used to it so they went upset when they've been hold from their stolen candy, simply.
Those who were not "civilized" were some of the hackers coming on the official forum (the irony) insulting legit members.

You seem very respectful but I don't agree when you say that both sides got valid points. If someone doesn't have the cash to get a Porsche, he can't just steal it by pretending he isn't rich enough to buy it. The only difference here is that it's easier to steal LFS than an actual car, and that LFS cost 10 times less than an iphone and 5 to 10 times less than a FFB wheel. The poverty argument isn't a point if you need a computer, an ISP and most probably a wheel to play this said game.

I ain't rich either, I just find this game unique in it's feel and approach so I want to encourage it's development. I believe this whole topic is more a question of ethic rather than actual money. I hope some of them will come to reason, as this indy game deserve to be supported and if they're so addicted to it, they know it.



Happy Holidays to the Scavier and everyone (yes, everyone!).

Quote from Skytrill :

You seem to use the word "salty" quite a lot but if you would have contributed for the game as well, you might end-up seeing crackers making treats with quite a different perspective. These people clearly stole the game for a while and now they're used to it so they went upset when they've been hold from their stolen candy, simply.

I wouldn't consider myself salty. However, it really does sometimes beggar belief how entitled some people feel.

Narcissism is not a virtue.

Quote from MicroSpecV :

Both sides have valid points.

No they do not. LFS developers have the right do ask for as much money for a license as they see fit. LFS is a product they created using their own knowledge, skills and resources and nobody but them gets any say about how much should it cost. If they set the price wrong they will suffer the consequences of not making LFS a viable business. However, just because some people cannot - or at least claim so - afford it does *not* give them any right to steal it.

Quote from MicroSpecV :

We need to accept each other.

Again, no. As far as I understand the people who were running the cracked servers - people who have invested their own resources into doing so - decided to shut it down. Yet who I see crying on the forums is people who contributed next to nothing to the LFS community. They were used to having premium stuff for free, now it has been taken away and they think they somehow have the right to complain about it. If I were to extend this logic I could have had the right to steal my highschool buddy's BMW just because his dad could afford buying him one and mine could not.

I do not mean to come off as an insensitive butthole. I, however, know a large bunch of people who pirate software even though they can actually buy it. I have heard all of their excuses - none of them was justifiable. In the end it all came down to "Why should I pay for something I can get steal? I need my money for stuff that cannot be stolen that easily". Also, let's try to reverse the perspective. Last time I checked, Scawen had a wife and two kids to support and LFS was the only source of his income. They all live in GB where there is a certain cost of living and the price of a LFS license reflects that - how "right" is it to ask them to sell you a product he worked his ass off developing for less?

^ Well said.

Piracy is illegal. Nothing more, nothing less.

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