If someone is man enough to ask for forgiveness one should be man enough to accept. I accept your apology and wish you good luck with being a better man 
Having said that, if you'd been banned on our servers I would forgive you, but not lift the ban
A ban for cheating is a ban for cheating. And it should stay so to deter future cheaters.
So go get another license. I have another license and it's quite fun to see how different people react when they know you and when they don't. I hope you will notice the same - and as they said, it's giving a little back to the community, too.
Cheers
aceracer
Having said that, if you'd been banned on our servers I would forgive you, but not lift the ban
A ban for cheating is a ban for cheating. And it should stay so to deter future cheaters.So go get another license. I have another license and it's quite fun to see how different people react when they know you and when they don't. I hope you will notice the same - and as they said, it's giving a little back to the community, too.
Cheers
aceracer
I only ever really have the time to race when wife and kids are in bed, so usually it's between midnight and 5am (CET) - I guess I may as well live in Australia
aceracer
That's happened to me too, still does, but for me it's only ever good for "great" laps, not "pbs"-
I think it comes down to how many laps you've done on a track and how close you are to your tpb. Once you have a lap which is very close to all your best splits combined after many hundred or thousand laps I don't think you'll get any faster by going on autopilot - then it's really looking for those hundredths with everything you've got.
However, one thing that's happened to me a few times lately is that on a bad first split, last lap, with nothing to lose I go flat out and get a fantastic second split. On the contrary to a great first split and it's all "oh no, too fast, must get pb now, this is the chance of a lifetime ... doh" ...and you just overdrive and overpush and don't get anywhere at all...
aceracer
I think it comes down to how many laps you've done on a track and how close you are to your tpb. Once you have a lap which is very close to all your best splits combined after many hundred or thousand laps I don't think you'll get any faster by going on autopilot - then it's really looking for those hundredths with everything you've got.
However, one thing that's happened to me a few times lately is that on a bad first split, last lap, with nothing to lose I go flat out and get a fantastic second split. On the contrary to a great first split and it's all "oh no, too fast, must get pb now, this is the chance of a lifetime ... doh" ...and you just overdrive and overpush and don't get anywhere at all...
aceracer
Hmm, maybe it was the set, or the tracks - it was on CTRA round one of the longer South City Tracks and I specced all of the faster drivers, and all their tires were gone after 3 laps.
I usually am very smooth, I do the 6 laps on AS3/FZR on r2s where most people run mixed sets. I'm not a late braker by any means.
I remember we had AS Historic and GP on one of our servers once and raced TBOs there and it was tremendous fun and no issue whatsoever with tires. (of course these have a lot of straights) So when I saw the tire usage on CTRA I figured that the latest patches may have done something to tire usage - or maybe that's just a combo which is extreme?
What you guys say is very encouraging, I'll go back to trying then
Cheers
aceracer
I usually am very smooth, I do the 6 laps on AS3/FZR on r2s where most people run mixed sets. I'm not a late braker by any means.
I remember we had AS Historic and GP on one of our servers once and raced TBOs there and it was tremendous fun and no issue whatsoever with tires. (of course these have a lot of straights) So when I saw the tire usage on CTRA I figured that the latest patches may have done something to tire usage - or maybe that's just a combo which is extreme?
What you guys say is very encouraging, I'll go back to trying then
Cheers
aceracer
Smooth is faster consistently - but the very last tenth between a pb and a racing lap is taking everything right to the limit. And in most cases that will be agressive.
In terms of numbers it would be sth like this (FZR, AS3 example, of course
CD1, 6 laps:
For my standards a great race will be 1:40s every flying lap. With that you can win 99% of races there. It's tough to pull off (for me).
My PB is a 1:40.38 (that was with draft, but I also have the clean splits to get it).
A great race I would get a fastest lap of 40.65, a couple of laps in the 40:70s to 40.80s. All this is smooth racing and keeps tires alive to do all 6 laps.
Anything under 40:60 is taking it to the limit. Very late braking into the first and last pins, rear drifting around the pins, screeching tires all the way. I get 2 attempts at this in a race, then the tires are gone.
Once you really get to know car and track you know where you can be smooth without losing time and where being too smooth is too slow.
Again the above example: For really fast laps the last pin on AS3 needs to be taken at 110%, very late brakes, very aggressive through the pin and super early on throttle out if you want really fast times. But it will eat your tires up in no time. On the other hand the first pin can be taken smoothly and you only lose a few hundreths. The chicane can also be fast and smooth and T1 has different lines, some with are agressib¡ve and super fast, others which are still fast but easier on tires.
Knowing this you can plan you laps according to the state of your tires. And you can be fast and smooth, knowingly sacrifing a couple of tenths - or trying to regain them by being aggressive at the right time.
On a hotlap you have no such concerns - 110% every inch of the track.
Cheers
aceracer
In terms of numbers it would be sth like this (FZR, AS3 example, of course
CD1, 6 laps:
For my standards a great race will be 1:40s every flying lap. With that you can win 99% of races there. It's tough to pull off (for me).
My PB is a 1:40.38 (that was with draft, but I also have the clean splits to get it).
A great race I would get a fastest lap of 40.65, a couple of laps in the 40:70s to 40.80s. All this is smooth racing and keeps tires alive to do all 6 laps.
Anything under 40:60 is taking it to the limit. Very late braking into the first and last pins, rear drifting around the pins, screeching tires all the way. I get 2 attempts at this in a race, then the tires are gone.
Once you really get to know car and track you know where you can be smooth without losing time and where being too smooth is too slow.
Again the above example: For really fast laps the last pin on AS3 needs to be taken at 110%, very late brakes, very aggressive through the pin and super early on throttle out if you want really fast times. But it will eat your tires up in no time. On the other hand the first pin can be taken smoothly and you only lose a few hundreths. The chicane can also be fast and smooth and T1 has different lines, some with are agressib¡ve and super fast, others which are still fast but easier on tires.
Knowing this you can plan you laps according to the state of your tires. And you can be fast and smooth, knowingly sacrifing a couple of tenths - or trying to regain them by being aggressive at the right time.
On a hotlap you have no such concerns - 110% every inch of the track.
Cheers
aceracer
I was really looking forward to learning these cars and having some fun so I played around a little with these a few months back.
I think the cars are awesome - but what's with the tires? A race car that can't do more that 2 laps with out the rubber disintegrating? I get more laps out of my FZR on r2s than a TBO class car on the hardest available.
I think that spoils it a little and that's probably what explains why there's no-one racing these.
Cheers
aceracer
I think the cars are awesome - but what's with the tires? A race car that can't do more that 2 laps with out the rubber disintegrating? I get more laps out of my FZR on r2s than a TBO class car on the hardest available.
I think that spoils it a little and that's probably what explains why there's no-one racing these.
Cheers
aceracer
1) Overcutting is not good, 4 wheels on grass is off the track. I wouldn't brand people cheaters but I also think it's a bit annoying.
BUT:
We'd have to close down CD1 if we applied your rules. Every single racer, every lap, every race has 2 wheels on kerb and 2 on grass through the chicane. If the kerb is not part of the track and that's cheating then every single racer on our servers is a cheater and we'd have to issue around 6000 permanent bans right now.
We do delete pbs done jumping the chicane altogehter and kick/ban drivers who do it repeatedly. 4 wheels on grass every lap is not tolerated. 2 wheels on kerb and 2 on grass are considered the racing line.
We never felt it was necessary to go and publically shame anyone for doing so, I think that's a bit over the top.
2) I raced aston cadet on the UFR extensively when it was on CD6 and had a top 10 time til we closed the combo (long before the latest patches). I did over 4000 laps there in UFR. I honestly think there is no gain cutting there. I always thought that keeping traction with track through the chicane (or at least when you ragain it upon "landing" at the bottom) made me faster through that part of the track.
So if anything Humbleridderen harmed his laptimes rather than gain an advantage.
aceracer
BUT:
We'd have to close down CD1 if we applied your rules. Every single racer, every lap, every race has 2 wheels on kerb and 2 on grass through the chicane. If the kerb is not part of the track and that's cheating then every single racer on our servers is a cheater and we'd have to issue around 6000 permanent bans right now.
We do delete pbs done jumping the chicane altogehter and kick/ban drivers who do it repeatedly. 4 wheels on grass every lap is not tolerated. 2 wheels on kerb and 2 on grass are considered the racing line.
We never felt it was necessary to go and publically shame anyone for doing so, I think that's a bit over the top.
2) I raced aston cadet on the UFR extensively when it was on CD6 and had a top 10 time til we closed the combo (long before the latest patches). I did over 4000 laps there in UFR. I honestly think there is no gain cutting there. I always thought that keeping traction with track through the chicane (or at least when you ragain it upon "landing" at the bottom) made me faster through that part of the track.
So if anything Humbleridderen harmed his laptimes rather than gain an advantage.
aceracer
I was on a roll ... lol
It gets personal when people tell us that CD is not moderated well. 
If you feel there's something missing from your life, we can change that tonight!
lol
Cu on track!
aceracer
The ideal would be only kick vote, but it's not possible in LFS - it's either all votes or none.
Of course, private servers withorganised races are a completely different experience.
On pickup racing on public servers you need to be able to get rid of crashers, wreckers and idiots. Otherwise you may as well shut the server down.
Sometimes it hits the wrong people - that's a pain and it's not idea - but it's still better than a wrecker driving the wrong way round for 2 hours.
We all have better experiences on a controlled private server with nothing but competent drivers, but I think that's not the issue here.
aceracer
Of course, private servers withorganised races are a completely different experience.
On pickup racing on public servers you need to be able to get rid of crashers, wreckers and idiots. Otherwise you may as well shut the server down.
Sometimes it hits the wrong people - that's a pain and it's not idea - but it's still better than a wrecker driving the wrong way round for 2 hours.
We all have better experiences on a controlled private server with nothing but competent drivers, but I think that's not the issue here.
aceracer
Well, it is really should be democrazy - and it would fit perfectly to what I was trying to say. Democracy is not a good system - but it's the best we have - so we have to live with it, even though it's crazy.
Look at it this way: if my car breaks I take it to an expert to get it fixed.
If the country breaks, every idiot has the same say in how to fix it, even though 90% of the popuilation have not the slightest idea about the economy, the sanitary system, educational methodology etc etc - I don't have either. Yet I have a say in how the country should be run. It's ridiculous.
But it's what we have and it beats all known systems, so we're stuck with it and it's the best solution.
Ideal would be a good committee of experts running the country with disregard for popular opinion and only the best for everyone at heart.
Since that will never happen, we are democrazy
aceracer
Look at it this way: if my car breaks I take it to an expert to get it fixed.
If the country breaks, every idiot has the same say in how to fix it, even though 90% of the popuilation have not the slightest idea about the economy, the sanitary system, educational methodology etc etc - I don't have either. Yet I have a say in how the country should be run. It's ridiculous.
But it's what we have and it beats all known systems, so we're stuck with it and it's the best solution.
Ideal would be a good committee of experts running the country with disregard for popular opinion and only the best for everyone at heart.
Since that will never happen, we are democrazy
aceracer
There's a little map with little dots in your screen. The little dots are another cars. Wait til the little dots have passed and you can safely manouvre and do anything you like without hindering anyone.
Not easy enough?
Rule flawed?
Oh please. It's called awareness, it does not take any skill whatsoever, all you need its to look at the little map - and understand that you are not the only one on the race track.
And if you made a mistake which can be perfectly understandable, yes even if you had backed into traffic because you were stressed, forgot to look, new - whatever - all it takes is to say "sorry" and in most the situation is dealt with. Not go online and on top of being a little memememe bubble inhabitant write and entire post about how you're only intersted what happens to you and what rights you have.
Ever considered being courteous to others even if you didn't *have* to?
aceracer
Not easy enough?
Rule flawed?
Oh please. It's called awareness, it does not take any skill whatsoever, all you need its to look at the little map - and understand that you are not the only one on the race track.
And if you made a mistake which can be perfectly understandable, yes even if you had backed into traffic because you were stressed, forgot to look, new - whatever - all it takes is to say "sorry" and in most the situation is dealt with. Not go online and on top of being a little memememe bubble inhabitant write and entire post about how you're only intersted what happens to you and what rights you have.
Ever considered being courteous to others even if you didn't *have* to?
aceracer
Well, I'm an admin but I also like to race, I don't have that much spare time. Definitely not to sit and spec all evening in case there's a crash. I race and when I see sth wrong I act. When I don't see it if it seems bad I review a replay.
The vote stays on, I think a certain autonomy is a good thing. Mistakes will be made? Of course. By votes and by admins.
If you have nothing better to do than spec all evening that's great, feel free to apply to CD and become a server admin
I think as a whole the CD server are amongst the best moderated, that's why I became a CD in the first place when I had no team. Now we have literally thousands of racers every month - and we get about 5 complaints.
I think that's a pretty damn good ratio.
Also, if you ever read our server rules you will have seen this line: CD servers are private servers, we just decided to allow others to access them, too. However, seeing they are our own private playground we do whatever we like on them whenever we like it.
I so much as don't like your skin, your name, your number plate or I'm just in a bad mood: and you're gone. No discussion, no explanation, no reason - just cos it's it's my house and I do whatever I flippin' like in it.
Since we're a nice bunch of people that never happens of course and we try to be as fair and competent as possible. If we make mistakes, well, we can only apologise.
I always wonder where people get this idea from that everything should be free and perfect when they don't do squat but come and complain. We pay a dedicated server, we put 6 servers online, we let everyone race on them, we do our best to keep them moderated and keep the racing clean. One mistake and it's all: oh you shold always spot everything, you should have an admin there all the time seeing everything and being justice himself.
No kids, it's not like that. You have the priviledge to race for free on our servers. We try our best to make that experience as pleasing as possible. Not happy? Please move on. All this "oh it's so unfair", "oh your'e not doing it right", "oh it shouldn't be like this" - it's really starting to get on my nerves - and it always comes from those who come, take for free, contribute nothing and are always unhappy.
Cheers
aceracer
P.S.: @Jonas: yes we do say that. If you can't be withing 5 seconds of a decent laptime you should practise the combo offline before coming and messing up everyone else's experience. Cos you'll be nothing but a mobile roadblock and our servers are not a newbie training ground - they are supposed to be for competitve racing for which you need a minimum standard. Anyone with a little education and manners doesn't even need to be told this, it should be obvious.
We always help beginners, both with sets and tips on how to become faster. But there is also a limit, and if you 're in the way of others who try to do some recing then you should know yourself when to keep out of the way without needeing to be told.
The vote stays on, I think a certain autonomy is a good thing. Mistakes will be made? Of course. By votes and by admins.
If you have nothing better to do than spec all evening that's great, feel free to apply to CD and become a server admin
I think as a whole the CD server are amongst the best moderated, that's why I became a CD in the first place when I had no team. Now we have literally thousands of racers every month - and we get about 5 complaints.
I think that's a pretty damn good ratio.
Also, if you ever read our server rules you will have seen this line: CD servers are private servers, we just decided to allow others to access them, too. However, seeing they are our own private playground we do whatever we like on them whenever we like it.
I so much as don't like your skin, your name, your number plate or I'm just in a bad mood: and you're gone. No discussion, no explanation, no reason - just cos it's it's my house and I do whatever I flippin' like in it.
Since we're a nice bunch of people that never happens of course and we try to be as fair and competent as possible. If we make mistakes, well, we can only apologise.
I always wonder where people get this idea from that everything should be free and perfect when they don't do squat but come and complain. We pay a dedicated server, we put 6 servers online, we let everyone race on them, we do our best to keep them moderated and keep the racing clean. One mistake and it's all: oh you shold always spot everything, you should have an admin there all the time seeing everything and being justice himself.
No kids, it's not like that. You have the priviledge to race for free on our servers. We try our best to make that experience as pleasing as possible. Not happy? Please move on. All this "oh it's so unfair", "oh your'e not doing it right", "oh it shouldn't be like this" - it's really starting to get on my nerves - and it always comes from those who come, take for free, contribute nothing and are always unhappy.
Cheers
aceracer
P.S.: @Jonas: yes we do say that. If you can't be withing 5 seconds of a decent laptime you should practise the combo offline before coming and messing up everyone else's experience. Cos you'll be nothing but a mobile roadblock and our servers are not a newbie training ground - they are supposed to be for competitve racing for which you need a minimum standard. Anyone with a little education and manners doesn't even need to be told this, it should be obvious.
We always help beginners, both with sets and tips on how to become faster. But there is also a limit, and if you 're in the way of others who try to do some recing then you should know yourself when to keep out of the way without needeing to be told.
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joined late in race - several laps down - what could you possibly have to gain by messing up other peoples race, by slowing them down, being in the way. What?
You live in your small egocentric world where only you and your rights exist. Even if you explicitly had the right to join late, back into other racers and crash block others - even then - if you just had a minimum of respect for other racers you would stay out of the way just out of common courtesy.
But noooooo!!! Me me me me me me - me I'm 3 laps down but I want to drive onto the racing line - me me me me me. You're so caught up in your little bubble that you even come and post here thinking you're right ... christ!
Manners, courtesy, respect, being friendly saying: hey man, I messed up, please go ahead before I recover - nooooo. *I* want to join just in front of the race leaders because *I* have the right to be anywhere because everyone else has to drive around *ME*if they want to finish their race..... aaaaaargh ....
Just keep out of the way, man.
Jeeez
aceracer
You live in your small egocentric world where only you and your rights exist. Even if you explicitly had the right to join late, back into other racers and crash block others - even then - if you just had a minimum of respect for other racers you would stay out of the way just out of common courtesy.
But noooooo!!! Me me me me me me - me I'm 3 laps down but I want to drive onto the racing line - me me me me me. You're so caught up in your little bubble that you even come and post here thinking you're right ... christ!
Manners, courtesy, respect, being friendly saying: hey man, I messed up, please go ahead before I recover - nooooo. *I* want to join just in front of the race leaders because *I* have the right to be anywhere because everyone else has to drive around *ME*if they want to finish their race..... aaaaaargh ....
Just keep out of the way, man.
Jeeez
aceracer
Servers without vote are a nightmare. You have a crasher on and can't get rid of him - and he just laughs at you and keeps driving the wrong way round the track and no-one can do anything about it. I never race on non-vote servers, only exception CTRA.
90% of the worlds population is retarded so 90% of racers in LFS are retarded. Have a vote and you get 90% retard votes.
That's why democracy sucks - every retard has the same vote as you. And they use it - as you found out
Problem is that we don't have a better system - so we're stuck with democracy run by retards. Ah well ...
Good thing is that this means that 90% of people banned on our servers fully deserve it, cos they're retards - the other 10% we can only apologise for - collateral damage I guess, what can you do. I also got banned first time I came to CD servers.
Personally I rather have too many bans than too little.
aceracer
P.S.: yes I'm fully aware of the fact that most other people will think I'm a retard and part of those 90%
P.P.S.: If yu go round the track at 130 where everyone else goes round at 260kph, I wold also have called the vote. Just stay out of the way man, what could you possible have to gain messing up everyone else's race if yours already is?
Of course you may finish your race with a broken car - but if you can't do it without interfereing with other peoples races, doesn't common courtesy forbid you bounce around the track at half the race speed just in front of the race leaders?
P.P.P.S: UER!Diablo is a good, clean and fair racer. I have raced him many times and it's always been a pleasure. Unless you have a replay to prove the contrary I trust his vote more than your opinion.
90% of the worlds population is retarded so 90% of racers in LFS are retarded. Have a vote and you get 90% retard votes.
That's why democracy sucks - every retard has the same vote as you. And they use it - as you found out
Problem is that we don't have a better system - so we're stuck with democracy run by retards. Ah well ...
Good thing is that this means that 90% of people banned on our servers fully deserve it, cos they're retards - the other 10% we can only apologise for - collateral damage I guess, what can you do. I also got banned first time I came to CD servers.
Personally I rather have too many bans than too little.
aceracer
P.S.: yes I'm fully aware of the fact that most other people will think I'm a retard and part of those 90%
P.P.S.: If yu go round the track at 130 where everyone else goes round at 260kph, I wold also have called the vote. Just stay out of the way man, what could you possible have to gain messing up everyone else's race if yours already is?
Of course you may finish your race with a broken car - but if you can't do it without interfereing with other peoples races, doesn't common courtesy forbid you bounce around the track at half the race speed just in front of the race leaders?
P.P.P.S: UER!Diablo is a good, clean and fair racer. I have raced him many times and it's always been a pleasure. Unless you have a replay to prove the contrary I trust his vote more than your opinion.
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You can even have a massively oversteery on one corner and massively understeery for another - on the same track!
Ok, maybe a bit exaggerated, but I played around with it a bit and it' not that stupid.
For the FZRs you can change brakes and rollbars on the fly. So I developed a set and a routine where on AS3 I would put brake pressure a couple of clicks back and softer rollbars for the 2 hairpin section to get a grippier oversterry car through there, then change it back to previous for the chicane where I preferred cleaner and more direct handling. And stiffen it a little more for the long and fast 4th gear turn 1.
Of course this is over the top, and in the end all the button pushing was more stressful than anything else, but I did get fast latpimes with it and it was easy on tires.
So if you can set up a car for one corner, or one part pf the track to be quite different than another, just think of how different setups can be for different tracks!
aceracer
Ok, maybe a bit exaggerated, but I played around with it a bit and it' not that stupid.
For the FZRs you can change brakes and rollbars on the fly. So I developed a set and a routine where on AS3 I would put brake pressure a couple of clicks back and softer rollbars for the 2 hairpin section to get a grippier oversterry car through there, then change it back to previous for the chicane where I preferred cleaner and more direct handling. And stiffen it a little more for the long and fast 4th gear turn 1.
Of course this is over the top, and in the end all the button pushing was more stressful than anything else, but I did get fast latpimes with it and it was easy on tires.
So if you can set up a car for one corner, or one part pf the track to be quite different than another, just think of how different setups can be for different tracks!
aceracer
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Ok, I amend my statement:
One uses strong feedback
With 100% set in the cpanel and 200% set ingame I couldn'¡t even turn the wheel, I'd need 6 months of muscle training before I could do that!! lol
I think in the end personal preference is the key. BreadC is the fastest driver I've seen race on AS3 and he uses no feedback at all - others use a little - now yo use a LOT - in the end it's what you're comfortable with.
aceracer
Absolutely! The "set issue" resolves itself in a matter of minutes:
Either go to setup field or:
1) wait for race to end
2) ask winner or fastest lap driver for set
Sorted. 99% of drivers will share their set - I always share all of mine. If someone doesn't, just ask the next best, it'll be just as good.
Drive next race - if it's an "alien" set or a "drifty set" or whatever you can't drive comfortably with do this:
1) 1 nudge up on both wings, or just rear wing if rear steps out too much
2) 1 nudge down on brake power
3) if you can't control under accel use clutch pack - use low locking power, around 30 to 35
These tweaks take 30 secs to do and are a very basic instant result procedure. They will only cost you a couple of tenths in laptime on most tracks.
This is way better than having a pre-defined setup locked to a server because everyone can race a competitve set and within seconds ahe it adjusted to any skill level.
As opposed to having "recreational driver set" which doesn't really do anything for anyone.
my $.02
aceracer
Either go to setup field or:
1) wait for race to end
2) ask winner or fastest lap driver for set
Sorted. 99% of drivers will share their set - I always share all of mine. If someone doesn't, just ask the next best, it'll be just as good.
Drive next race - if it's an "alien" set or a "drifty set" or whatever you can't drive comfortably with do this:
1) 1 nudge up on both wings, or just rear wing if rear steps out too much
2) 1 nudge down on brake power
3) if you can't control under accel use clutch pack - use low locking power, around 30 to 35
These tweaks take 30 secs to do and are a very basic instant result procedure. They will only cost you a couple of tenths in laptime on most tracks.
This is way better than having a pre-defined setup locked to a server because everyone can race a competitve set and within seconds ahe it adjusted to any skill level.
As opposed to having "recreational driver set" which doesn't really do anything for anyone.
my $.02
aceracer
Most very fast drivers have very low FFB. Just enough to fell the feedback on what the card does but no enough to interfere with anything your hands and arms do.
Some race without any FFB.
None race with strong FFB.
Personally I like weak FFB. However I set it at 100% in game so that the game gives the full amount of information, then tune it down in the windows cpanel so that it doesn't become too strong.
In the end it's personal preference. You can be just as fast with as without...
aceracer
Some race without any FFB.
None race with strong FFB.
Personally I like weak FFB. However I set it at 100% in game so that the game gives the full amount of information, then tune it down in the windows cpanel so that it doesn't become too strong.
In the end it's personal preference. You can be just as fast with as without...
aceracer
wasn't that why you got banned on our servers? Damn, just get out of the way man!
lmao just joking...
Agreed, although I'm not sure that lack of competence - I think it's a head issue. Some hotlappers think they must lap 1/10th away of WR times on all laps, including when they have 5 opponents around them ... I also find that quite annoying...
aceracer
lmao
just joking...Agreed, although I'm not sure that lack of competence - I think it's a head issue. Some hotlappers think they must lap 1/10th away of WR times on all laps, including when they have 5 opponents around them ... I also find that quite annoying...
aceracer
Absolutely, couldn't agree more - I always get by arse kicked by faster drivers but actually I think they're no good at all. I'm the best - I'm just not as fast - but I'm better - honest!
Hehe, only kidding, but maybe you could elaborate a little on what you mean? I see it this way: In racing when a guy is faster than me and beats me 5 out of 5 races I am happy to agree that he is the better driver. After all in a race what matters is who finishes first!
So what do yo mean? Are you referring to hotlappers who can't do more than 2 laps without crashing? Then I agree, I consider myself a better driver than some guys who have faster hotlaps than me but never make it to the finish.
Or do you base it on safe and courteous driving - there are guys who never crash and always make it to the finish - but never better than 15 secs down - then I would disagree...
Feel like explaining?
aceracer
Hehe, only kidding, but maybe you could elaborate a little on what you mean? I see it this way: In racing when a guy is faster than me and beats me 5 out of 5 races I am happy to agree that he is the better driver. After all in a race what matters is who finishes first!
So what do yo mean? Are you referring to hotlappers who can't do more than 2 laps without crashing? Then I agree, I consider myself a better driver than some guys who have faster hotlaps than me but never make it to the finish.
Or do you base it on safe and courteous driving - there are guys who never crash and always make it to the finish - but never better than 15 secs down - then I would disagree...
Feel like explaining?
aceracer
@Bandit77: Sorry, there was an "I" missing in my post:
"I" cannot play a pentatonic scale right! Vai doesn't even know the concept of "not" playing something right - lol
as to infinite testing: agreed, it may not be real, but it does help me understand a lot about what I'm doing to my car, so I like it to have identical conditions. Cos I don't have to wonder whether it's the change I made which gains me a 10th or whether the track just got faster while I was in pits
I know I know, not realistic, but I for one like tweaking and re-tweaking once I have a nice base set. Fir me that's fun - and it doesn't take away the fun from racing either. Small change every race, see what it does, switch back, try sth else - always makes it interesting to be on track ... but yes, I agree, dynamically changing track conditions would be hugely entertaining!
aceracer
"I" cannot play a pentatonic scale right! Vai doesn't even know the concept of "not" playing something right - lol
as to infinite testing: agreed, it may not be real, but it does help me understand a lot about what I'm doing to my car, so I like it to have identical conditions. Cos I don't have to wonder whether it's the change I made which gains me a 10th or whether the track just got faster while I was in pits
I know I know, not realistic, but I for one like tweaking and re-tweaking once I have a nice base set. Fir me that's fun - and it doesn't take away the fun from racing either. Small change every race, see what it does, switch back, try sth else - always makes it interesting to be on track ... but yes, I agree, dynamically changing track conditions would be hugely entertaining!
aceracer
You're not as good as someone who practices.
Or what's your theory? We all are equal, those who practise cheat!
Hey, actually I'm better then Steve Vai at guitar - only I can just practise 20 mins/day. It's just not fair that he practises 5 hours a day and then plays better then me - now he's a millionaire guitar god and still can't play a pentatonic scale right - life is just so unfair!
Sorry, this may sound a bit cynic, but jeez man, you need to practise to develop your talent. Otherwise we'd all be born the same and die the same... and yes, someone who practices more than me is a better guitar player than me.
But hey, we could all just not practise guitar. Then there would not be one single good guitar player in the world, and then I wouldn't be as bad! Because even Steve Vai, with all the god given talent he has would be nothing if he didn't practise - but he'd still be leagues better than everyone else who doesn't practise ...
So what is it: no setup options and limited practise time? Fast drivers will still be faster...
aceracer
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Would never happen on or servers - chase cam view is turned off
Exactly for that reason - it caused so many crashes.
I'm not saying that there can't be any competent drivers with chase cam, in fact I know various who are fast and courteous.
But I am saying that no matter how competent, you have no idea where I try to go when I draft you or where I try to pass under blue.
It leads to countless unfortunate misunderstandings which when they add up, day after day, just start getting on your nerves. We just prefer to have it disabled from the start.
Cheers
aceracer
Exactly for that reason - it caused so many crashes.
I'm not saying that there can't be any competent drivers with chase cam, in fact I know various who are fast and courteous.
But I am saying that no matter how competent, you have no idea where I try to go when I draft you or where I try to pass under blue.
It leads to countless unfortunate misunderstandings which when they add up, day after day, just start getting on your nerves. We just prefer to have it disabled from the start.
Cheers
aceracer
Honestly I think what you're saying is way over the top. There may be some extreme sets which are quick but I would say that's the exception rather than the rule. And there's never any need to drive them to be competitive.
Name me a track/car combo and a target time (humanly possible, not WR please
) and I will drive it with a set that doesn't need exploits or freak settings. (of course then we'll start arguing how the car should feel... but it could be a fun challenge ). In fact I'll drive it with 2 completely different sets that don't need them.Secondly, what's wrong with making the car feel like you want it it. Honestly, my XFG will never feel like my FZR, no matter what I do to it. But if I think it's an understeering beeeetch and I make the rear harder to combat it, I think it's the most natural thing in the world. And doesn't alienate from what the car is.
In the vast majority of cases and sets I have I really don't think there's that much to it. Most of them are just solid sets optimised for track - nothing extreme or crazy about them, no exploits - and I always get my sets from fast drivers and then adapt them to my needs.
Cheers
aceracer
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rFactor has fixed setup servers. Everyone has a certain setup determined by the server. At first I thought this was great - even field and all, everybody with the same car. After facing for a while I thought the exact opposite.
1) faster drivers were still faster drivers - and there were still seconds in it
2) it's very frustrating to drive around a track doing 1.23s when you know you can easily do 1.20s - but the default set is arse
3) You have to drive a car you don't like, unless you are the server admin and specified your set!
4) the set is likely to be n00b safe which makes it boring and slow to drive for experienced racers
So the end results of the race is the same except that half the field didn't have any fun cos they have to drive a crap car.
I have around 10 sets for as3 (of course, I'm a CD) which caln all do 1:40.50s and they all do them in different ways. Comparing and tweaking these I have learned so much about:
- car behaviour
- effect of one setting against another
- other ppls driving styles
- setting up cars
I find I enjoy LFS more now that I understand more about cars. It allows me to take an "alien" set and adapt it tomy needs - or learn how to drive it myself - or understand why I can't drive it
I find it makes me a much more complete racer and it has helped me become noticeably faster on many other combos.
Once you've cracked the basics you can take any set, make it fit your style in no time and be competitive. There really is no need to be 2 secs a lap off the pace because of the set. Any half decent set can be made to run competitively. It's the last half second to the alien times which is the real crunch point. But you don't need to go that fast to win 99% of the races you participate in.
So honetly, I coulnd't disagree more with the argument of the title post of this thread...
aceracer
1) faster drivers were still faster drivers - and there were still seconds in it
2) it's very frustrating to drive around a track doing 1.23s when you know you can easily do 1.20s - but the default set is arse
3) You have to drive a car you don't like, unless you are the server admin and specified your set!
4) the set is likely to be n00b safe which makes it boring and slow to drive for experienced racers
So the end results of the race is the same except that half the field didn't have any fun cos they have to drive a crap car.
I have around 10 sets for as3 (of course, I'm a CD
) which caln all do 1:40.50s and they all do them in different ways. Comparing and tweaking these I have learned so much about:- car behaviour
- effect of one setting against another
- other ppls driving styles
- setting up cars
I find I enjoy LFS more now that I understand more about cars. It allows me to take an "alien" set and adapt it tomy needs - or learn how to drive it myself - or understand why I can't drive it
I find it makes me a much more complete racer and it has helped me become noticeably faster on many other combos.
Once you've cracked the basics you can take any set, make it fit your style in no time and be competitive. There really is no need to be 2 secs a lap off the pace because of the set. Any half decent set can be made to run competitively. It's the last half second to the alien times which is the real crunch point. But you don't need to go that fast to win 99% of the races you participate in.
So honetly, I coulnd't disagree more with the argument of the title post of this thread...
aceracer
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