Quote from bunder9999 :

when was this? maybe they changed the system recently, but i don't believe so...

you should see how people drive in my city... it's part of the reason why i walk...

i had some rant to go with this, but i deleted it on the basis that i don't want to come off as some racist jerkwad.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/exchange.shtml

It's been like that the first time I saw it, so at least ~5 years or so, and probably longer than that. Only 9 countries can exchange their license without any hassles.
I live in Toronto and have ~30km one way to work, doubt it's better here...

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Seems like mostly sensible suggestions, apart from the motorway restriction.

I like that rule. Maybe first do some basic driving and show some rudimentary driving skills (G2 road test in Canada is quite easy) before you go to a highway, at least in Toronto, highways here are quite busy 8am-8pm.
When I was doing my road test there was a girl taking the G2 road test and she didn't even make it out of the parking space. It was hillarious tbh though I had to be polite and not laugh: she had to leave the parking space but couldn't just do it in one go, you'd have to go 2-3 times back and forth to negotiate the space. The problem was that she was moving back and forth retracing the exact same path every time. I really don't know what was she thinking: if you couldn't get out the first time, and you are at the exact same starting point doing the exact same movements, what outcome would one expect?? And she did that like ~10 times before the examiner declared it a fail.
I wouldn't want someone like that on the highway just because she passed the written test.


And on a general note, government and insurance agencies use numbers and statistics, and they are what they are: younger drivers are much more prone to accidents. So you introduce restrictions for them. Yes, you can find thousands of small reasons why they aren't fair, but is it fair that the same highway speed limit applies to a 65 yr old grandma in a 20 yr old POS that barely passed its technical and to Vettel in whatever he drives? And there are always exceptions, maybe 5% are exceptions, and 95% of the young drivers think they are in those 5%. I did too...

Quote from bunder9999 :

yeah, that's a problem... immigrants with licences from another country are automatically given licences here...

This is not true, except for a handful of countries like USA, Germany etc. with exchange agreements. E.g. even though I had almost 10 years of experience and a valid Cro license, I still had to take the written and road tests to get the Canadian driver license, it wasn't automatically given to me. It's juts that the waiting period is waived, so instead of waiting 1 year to take full G test, you can schedule it right away. You still have to take the tests though, and you have to prove that you have 2x the time required in Canada, so it was 4 years for full G (normal graduated licenses period is 2 years I think).

I mentioned in the thread below that I have 2 U2711 at work, and they're really awesome. It's a decent deal in Australia, but the current prices in US make even a U2410 look like a bargain. And except for the higher resolution, U2711 doesn't bring anything new that U2410 doesn't have, as opposed to U2410 vs U2311.

Current US prices on dell.com:
U2311 $320
U2410 $480
U2711 $950

You can buy 3x U2311 or 2x U2410 for the price of one U2711...

The biggest complaint was tinting that couldn't be fixed with controls because it was uneven over the screen so you could only fix one side. At the time there was no u2311 and other IPS panels <$1000 like HP 2475 had the same issues (they used the same panels...). Most people however didn't have such issues. Mine came with absolutely no visually detectable tinting, and I doubt I'm particularly lucky.

It also had dithering issues that was fixed in A01 firmware. It only affects a certain mode which I don't use, so I didn't bother updating mine. Other than that, I'm not sure what makes it terrible, because it got very good reviews, and I did a very thorough research before I decided on it. True 8-bit colour, larger screen and extra features like HDMI support may not be worth 2x the price of U2311, but it's certainly a higher class.

The main differences between IPS and TN people are likely to notice are much better viewing angles and 8-bit colour. I'm not sure of any other cheap 23" ips, but with Dell U2311 you only get the first, it's a 6-bit panel like all other TNs, while, say, U2410 is a proper 8-bit. That's why I said it's a "poor man's" IPS, U2311 uses a-frc to achieve the effect of 8-bit, basically if it cannot show some colour, it will alternate between the two closest ones it can.

Also, the difference between 24 and 23 is a bit larger than it seems, because of the typically different aspect. Still though, I agree it's not worth it, but it's not as ridiculous a premium as it may sound at first (just one inch more...).

Dell's higher-end monitors are great if you buy them when they have a special deal, which happens quite often. I bought U2410 for $480 when the regular price was $750. Now it's $600 and I've seen it go for $430.

For 120Hz, I think you misread what I said. Except for some Japanese very expensive model that came out only in Japan about a month or two ago, all 120Hz PC monitors are TN panels. So if that's something important to you, you don't have much choice: TN or nothing.

Yep, U2311 is a poor man's IPS but it's better than any TN unless you need/really want 120Hz. ZR24W and U2410 are quite a bit more expensive, but may be in your range as well. U2311 is a better bang-for-the-buck for sure though.

Dell U2711?

I have 2 of these at work, I'm not a fan of 16:9, but they're really great, I'd take them over my U2410. U3011 is better, but U2711 is a better bang-for-the-buck.

Which GPU? You can stretch/extend desktop, each will work at its max resolution. Duplicating/cloning obviously won't work very well, since both have to be at the same resolution.

I was simply informing you of that possibility, because it was mentioned on this forum, and since I'm hardly a regular here, lots of others must know about it too...

I gave the link to the exact post above.

Quote from pik_d :

Look at my first post in this thread: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1573560#post1573560. I say that I don't think LFS as-is needs multi-threading. People ask for it without anything else attached, like "I wish LFS had multi-threading and support for better physics and this and that and the other thing". They ask for multi-threading by itself as if it'll make LFS better without tons of other stuff being implemented.

Of course I would love for the physics to improve, actual realistic crash damage, higher poly-count tracks/cars, and tons of other things that would make multi-threading a means to those ends.

You said, exact quote, "LFS isn't really at a stage where it needs to use more than one core".

What I had given was a quote from Victor(*) from which it can be inferred that LFS is at a stage where a physics model is too complex to be handled by current CPUs with reasonable FPS, and is one of the reasons for the patch delay. Assuming it's true, do you still think there's no reason for more than one core? I just don't see a rationale for that. Going from one core to four provides a theoretical boost available now that ST performance will not reach in a decade at least.


(*) Shotglass really gave it now that I've read it again, but seems it originates from Victor.

I saw that link when Eza first posted it (I've even posted in that thread if you go through it ). I'd say that 4870 is a fair bit faster than ATI 2900, but it's true that LFS is largely CPU limited.
The numbers there are based on the current patch though, unless you think that physics is OK as it is, I still disagree that MT isn't needed. You can always get a bit more refined and more complex model with more CPU performance. And LFS being singlethreaded, there's a LOT more headroom going MT than trying to squeeze more from ST.

The only thread about what I said that I could find in my brief search was this: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1426006#post1426006

I didn't say it was just DX8, I said it's also outdated, which is true. I mean it ran pretty fine with my Ti4200 back in the day without too many cars around, and IGPs on Sandy Bridge, and especially the upcoming AMD's Llano with 400SPs are practically orders of magnitude more powerful.

Quote from pik_d :

That review by Eza is really nice, and does look like I am mistaken in theory. In most of his tests (from 2.5 year old computers) the minimum fps was about ~55 (low end) and 70-80fps (high end, of 2.5 year old computers). Hardly any need for multithreading there.

IIRC, Scawen or Victor once said that if we all had monster CPUs, the patch would have been out. I assume this also accounts for multithreading, because not having enough ST performance and not looking into MT in an application that should scale well with cores, is doing it wrong, very wrong...

And with an outdated DX8 graphics with no graphics updates in site, the newer IGPs from both Intel and AMD won't be a bottleneck.


@S14 DRIFT
Max is 32 cars on the track.
1280x1024 is quite a low resolution nowadays, maybe his monitor is bigger...

Quote from bavorak :

small suggestion for improvement...(although I dont know if any of devs will read this)
when you compare pbs of two drivers on lfsw what about overall difference between those times?

+1 if you mean hotlaps
It would help when comparing times for a specific car or a rank. Although you can just copy everything and paste into Excel/Calc where it's not hard to sum up a single column of differences...

Last edited by AutoPilot, Sat, 29 Jan 2011 06:39. Reason : .

Obviously I wasn't aware of this Sync thingy, thanks guys. I would have liked if you could use it as a button and e.g. sync before the turn and then it goes out of sync throughout the turn, as it is, it provides little information that you can't see from the path that's already drawn completely. Anyway, now that I can turn it off, all is fine.

Was it on by default always? I've used the tool before, and feel like I would have noticed something like this.

Quote from Mattesa :

That's light traffic. During rush hour all 20 lanes of this stretch of the 401 is in complete grid lock. Lots of Ontarians here, you guys know what I'm talking about. Fun stuff.

Man, my car could very well be in there as I take this section (I go on 401 from Allen Road to 404 and back)...

Sorry if it's been mentioned, but I didn't see it here.
This is either wrong to me, or if intended, is a very strange design choice. The two cars seem to be kept in sync regarding their location: in the image below the blue car is 2.66 seconds behind (this happens no matter the diff in laptimes), yet they are level with each other. Shouldn't it be drawn noticeably behind like AnalyzeForSpeed does? It'd be a lot more useful.

It's not the temperature, it's tire wear. Worn tires are supposed to be faster on dry and smooth paved road (think about why slicks are faster...), so it's not really a bug, not to mention absurdity. I never saw any WR doing that, but I can see how someone would do that for easy cars like UF1 on short tracks or any car on oval. There's a limit on .spr file size, so you can't go on for hours, not sure what else could be done about it...

Quote from Kid222 :

Looks like it's broken.. infact all of that guys replays are just few kB small and cannot be opened. (Peña Racing)

Edit for Litro: Read, before you post, thanks.

I think Litro wants to say that he has no problems with his laps. Me neither, and evidently neither does Pringles. I tried 2 including we1r and they work fine, perhaps corrupted downloads on your end?

Quote from jasonmatthews :

Well our LFS Hotlap League has managed to have all the cars in LFS and even if I say so myself, it is much more fun than the combo's in the MHR.

I say Victor should steal the combos we have used in the league.

They have been thought about quite a bit

IIRC all the cars from the same class were used on the same track. I remember all TBOs being on Blackwood. I would definitely be against that.

Quote from Gener_AL (UK) :

Quote from Worm :

Something like MOE with TBO will be GOOD !

Ive been waiting years for this

I'd be up for this too, provided that the planets are properly aligned and I can make it...

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

There's a little snow here, but not enough to have some fun

Quote from bunder9999 :

i guess i spoke too soon... yeah, we got dusted here as well... and it's packing snow too... twn says more snow is coming, but we're likely to just get another dusting.

Toronto didn't see much snow, at least downtown, had like 5cm on my car, was done cleaning in 2mins with my flimsy brush. But London, Ont had 65-80cm, some areas close to 1m, I have a sister there, she was off work for 2 days as the parking lot wasn't cleaned...

Ozil is ok, and even Cacau has played for long enough, and it's only a few players, not like half of the team.

But I do have problems with some cases. For example, Bulgarians have (or had?) something like 5-6 Americans basketball players on trial, and they will pick one or two, give them citizenship (despite the fact that most of them have absolutely no connection to Bulgaria) and have them play in quals/Euro championship. Or Qatar who offered I believe $1M to get the best 100m swimmers to swim relay in the olympics. I mean, it's just buying athletes from other nations, that's what clubs are supposed to be. You can wave globalization arguments all you want, but this bothers me.

Comment from another forum:
"This World Cup has turned out like World War II. The French surrendered early, USA showed up last minute and the English are left to fight the Germans!!"

Some interesting KO stage rounds: Uruguay, S. Korea, Ghana and USA - one of these will get to the semifinal, whoever gets there will be a pleasant surprise.
The other 4 on the other hand are England, Germany, Argentina and Mexico, that's tough. If only England had scored ne more goal they would have a much easier road to the semis.