Quote from carey :

Well why post it then? I was going to bring up the
Because Clarkson & Hammond can't go round corners properly. Does the Stig drift on every corner?

No, but he does get very out of shape sometimes, and usually manages to correct it.

Quote from carey :

Tell all the people I know who have bent chassis arms and broken drive shafts then.

Just because they 'ran out of talent' or didn't have room to correct doesn't mean it's impossible to save something if the car looses grip.
You mentioned curbing earlier - was that how this damaged was caused? Not every slide or loss of control has a curb jump out and hit you. Start sliding around in the old SO before the curbs got protected by armco and you'll get the same situation.

Quote from carey :

Yes, but you also see some unbelievable driving where with one smooth input (ie; not Felipe Massa in his Sauber days), they enter a corner and exit without any drama.

I'm sorry, I thought this thread was about realistic (or unrealistic) responses to realistic driver inputs and situations. I didn't realise it was about the fact that everybody always drives perfectly and if perfect control is lost it's always the fault of the car and, of course, that a car sustains damage every time control is lost.

And I knew the FWD thing would be the response as well.

Anywho, ever watch Top Gear? Every time a RWD car (and most 4WDs) is tested, they drift it.

Ever seen Lewis Hamilton (or most other F1 drivers) correct a slide mid corner?

A car does not need to be modified to drift it, or to be able to catch a slide.

I'll just leave this here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCGnkApnDU

Quote from master_lfs.5101 :

Im around 200 feet away from the router. Its 3 floors down in my house's basement. Im 3 floors up in my houses Bedroom floor.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

At that distance you might be even ****ed for wireless. You can give it a shot (dunno about a stores open policy), but being that far is for sure a death wish for wifi (I'm only about 100 ft from my router, and only 1 floor (and 2 walls at the most) and I have issues on occasion (if I use Wi-Fi).

I think you're over-estimating the distances involved here

200ft is A Long Way. Based on average ceiling heights (in the UK at least - ~10ft) 200ft would mean the height of a 20 storey building.
/pedanticism

802.11g wireless is generally capable of going up to 100ft line-of-sight. Put a wall/floor/cardboard box/person in the way and it's going to reduce that, especially if it's made of something substantial.

For 3 storeys, I'd recommend using Cat5e or power over Ethernet even for only browsing the web for any amount of time. As for gaming, that kind of distance is going to cause a lot of problems over WiFi.

The n spec can handle longer range and higher speeds, but is still susceptible to all the kinds of interference and the affects associated with it as mentioned in this thread.

If you have to use WiFi over that distance indoors I'd recommend getting a PCI card and router that allow you to change the antennae and buy some high gain antennae for both.

You're probably better off using an InSim app with frequent MCI(?) packets, as this will accurately report actual velocity.

You can also add the line
/insim 29999
to lfs/data/script/autoexec.lfs I believe

(or maybe not - I dunno if scripting works in the demo)

edit: this will only work on the client though.

Legal torrents - especially those that contain files in their final state, ie .iso .exe etc - are often quite well seeded and thus are usually quite fast.

Just take a look at the more popular linux distributions like knoppix* where most internet connections can be maxed out assuming your torrent settings are correct. I saw speeds over 50MByte/s once.

A lot of games websites and publishers have started using various styles of peer-to-peer similar to bittorrent to reduce load on their servers when distributing patches and other downloads.

For the vast majority of people this won't affect the end users' "bandwidth" caps as they usually only count downloads and not uploads. I've heard of one ISP in Japan and maybe a couple in Australia that impose any kind of cap on uploads. In the case of the ISP in Japan, it was on a 100Mbit (possibly even 1Gbit) symmetrical connection and that upload limit was set at 100 or 200GBytes to discourage people on home connections starting file hosting websites.


* (a side note - I believe I'm right in saying that bittorrent was originally designed to distribute linux distros and larger FOSS applications in the days before broadband proliferation)

LFS doesn't use http (port 80) at all afaik.

Not entirely sure how W7/vista test for internet access, but I reckon they don't use http either.

If the proxy is only allowing requests on port 80, that's why you're having problems

For me, both windows and wine are less than 0.1fps different between standard and test with 20 AIs (it only drew shadows for about 17 of them, presumably because of distance), standard being very slightly higher.

Ubuntu 9.04 2.6.28-13 (32bit)
Wine 1.1.25
fglrx 2:8.620
11.5fps
16xAF (AA not detected?, haze off)

Vista sp2 (64bit)
Catalyst 9.5
58.8fps
8xAA 16xAF

Phenom II 955
HD 4890
4GB DDR3
1440x900 FS
SO Town Course

It's possible that it's caused by XP not handling the threads very well on a system with more cores or a different architecture than before - particularly as LFS is a fairly CPU intensive multi-threaded (but not parallel threaded) program. LFS is more CPU intensive than most games and is usually CPU limited rather than graphics limited.

Vista and especially W7 are programmed with multi-core and modern architectures in mind and usually perform better with such programs as LFS.


Off topic:

Quote from SamH :

if you're interested, I have some audio cables for sale, with carbo-goldium tipped connectors for £600, which will DOUBLE the quality of the audio out of your stereo.. and you'll definitely hear the difference!...

On that subject, take a look at >> this, <<especially all the comments that praise it

Ubuntu 9.04 2.6.28-13
Wine 1.1.25
HD4890 fglrx 2:8.620

All shadows are fine - low res, high res both test and normal.

AFAIK, LFS does not do any parallel processing. When affinity is set to several cores, it shows usage on more than one core because (I think) lfs.exe calls external modules/system calls which the OS assigns to a different core. lfs.exe can't use more of its core because it is 'paused' when the external calls are running.

I have a feeling that LFS physics will rarely need to use a full core on a Phenom II - on my pc (phenomII X4 955), lfs.exe rarely uses more than about 10-18% total CPU. Strangely, it seems to be at 250.0fps nearly all the time in windowed mode - there's probably a (sensible) software limit somewhere.

DEVIL 007:
IIRC the outer loop of the LFS physics engine runs at 100Hz. Whether that has much to do with it I'm not sure, but anything above that and LFS is just drawing duplicate frames and stressing the graphics more.
If you set affinity to a single core, what % of that core is it using? If affinity is set to all cores, what overall % CPU is LFS using? This should help us determine if it's the CPU being the limiting factor, or something else.

Devil 007: Are you experiencing poor framerates with CnQ enabled or is it good and steady like rc10racer?

If your CPU is capable of running LFS with no problems in a low power mode, that's a good thing as it's saving money. If that's the case, your CPU is clearly too powerful for LFS

You can alter/replace textures and sounds as much as you like (jpg, dds, raw [skies/reflections iirc], wav, ogg etc) as they do not affect gameplay physics in any way.
Things that modify physics including tuning, the shape of cars/objects, the behaviour of cars/objects are a no-no online (except possibly in private servers where everyone has the same mods).

As for OutGauge, I think there are one or two OutGauge relays about that allow you to use multiple OutGauge programs at the same time. I can't think of any specifically off the top of my head, but take a look in the programmers forum.

And MPEG is indeed a range of sound/video compression/container formats...

In my experience of the (a?) slowdown issue (I've previously mentioned it in this thread) there was no HDD activity at the time.
I got a slowdown to IIRC 10-15fps at the same two places in AS5, every time I drove through or stopped at those areas.
The issue only happened on one of my systems (running part of the Revolution pack) only in Z13, only in multiplayer.
I've recently re-installed windows on that system, so I will test it again with various combinations of clean/backup installs of LFS.


Regarding the crash above, I got that for the first time last night. No idea if it's reproducible at this time. Apparently ntdll.dll crashes are usually caused by faulty applications or drivers, although I have no way of knowing which is to blame.

Faulting application LFS.exe, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x4a03f459, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 6.0.6002.18005, time stamp 0x49e03824, exception code 0xc0000721, fault offset 0x0006a805, process id 0x116c, application start time 0x01c9ff59958edd70.

Quote :

UF - Daihatsu trevis

Which, in the body style that looks vaguely like the UF (2004-present), was never made as a 3 door, only 5 door. Lets call it a combination of the two, shall we

Shock, horror, I think I might have actually found a bug :jawdrop:

I don't *think* this has been mentioned before, I certainly can't remember reading about it anywhere.

The garage exit direction arrow doesn't show when leaving the pit garage in the training sessions.

Perhaps the ABS discussion should move to the ABS spin-off thread


Regarding real cars we have (in no particular order)
BF1 FBM MRT VWS RAC

The rest of the cars are based on real cars (some more loosely than others)
XR - Mitsubishi Starion
XF - Citroen AX
UF - Classic Mini
FZ - Porsche 911 (almost identical in specs to a specific version)
LX - Caterham
FX - Opel/Vauxhall Astra Coupe
RB4 - probably the hardest to match, general consensus is a combination of Toyota Celica/Toyota Supra/Mitsubishi Eclipse/Mitsubishi 3000GT
The other SS cars are based on real championships, IIRC F3000 and something else - It says exactly which ones in the forum somewhere

/off topic

Quote from Dmt :

The other thing is ABS on Rb4

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=x3cm6t&s=5
Brakes 1214 Nm @ 70% , fron and rear lock diff

Locked diff is probably the cause. AFAIK, LFS, as with most ABS systems, compares the speed of the wheels to work out if they're locked or not. If the front and rear diffs are locked, its suddenly lost 2 points of comparison - the only difference in speed will be front and rear wheels. If the front and rear axles lock at the same time (entirely possible) the ABS is likely to get confused and assume the car is stationary.

Is the centre diff locked or high torque as well? If so that'll make it even worse.


Whether this is a bug/error or not is, perhaps, debatable. I doubt there would be a problem with a more realistic setup.

I've been having similar problems with the G25 on two PCs. I'll test it with both Z13 and Z tomorrow (same folder so same settings, same .exe name so same profiler.)
It could very well be down to a hardware error, as my shifter's been playing up as well - something tells me Logitech used cheap POTs.

edit: happens on both Z and Z13. Probably a hardware/profiler problem

Last edited by Degats, Sat 6 Jun 2009, 17:27.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Well, I drove (badly ) 6 laps at BL2 and the clutch didn't heat one bit after the initial acceleration from a full stop.

Same.

Also, unrelated to Z13 as there haven't been any changes to LX physics at all.

You can assign the mouse as axis in the wheel/joystick area of the control options. This lets you use the x axis (left/right) to steer and the y axis (up/down) as throttle and brake. This way you get full variable throttle and brake with the mouse, so you can hold the revs where you like.

Driving like this takes getting used to (especially now auto-cut is gone) but gives you a lot more control than using buttons for throttle + brake.

Quote from danthebangerboy :

So if the devs change a car VOB to fix a bug or something then hotlaps would be invalid? BS. WHY?!?

If it's a fix for a cosmetic bug, such as the LX rear tyre numberplate bug, then why would fixing that bug effect hotlaps or PB's at it would surely make NO difference at all to the cars handling or speed or anything.

Who said it definitely would require a wipe of PB's anyway?

Quote from Scawen :

The LX4 fix is delayed because it creates a hotlap OOS.

The shape of the car affects the collision detection, maybe other stuff as well.

FYI, the mapping on the XRR probably changed when the XR models were tweaked not too long ago. There were also tweaks to XF and a few SS models at the same time.