Quote from Bruce314 :

note to you : buy a FWD with 100HP for 800kg, hit full gas in 1st or second gear with full wheel lock and you'll see... I bet you'll loose your nose as soon sas the pedal reach de metal :-)
(Btw : Yes, I did more than once the test myself with such as car - my new one does not sleep because of that stupid anti-slipping device)

I have one of these cars. But what you said it's different of what I said. I said 'until you reach 25 km/h', and not 'full throttle'.

BTW, of course my car (and any one, even 'baby cars'...) don't lose grip at 25 km/h.

Why LFS fans have this huge difficult to say that the game has wrong tires physics? I can't understand this behaviour.

Quote from Hoellsen :

We can pull over 1g in the road tired cars. Not much soap about that.

Agreed, there ARE issues with the tires, the diffs and the aero model, but the grip in general is there.

Is there, but is there in wrong way.

Read this:

Try to stop one car in LFS (GTI, per example), and make a full turn of the wheel, then push throttle until you reach 25 km/h. You'll see a unbelieveable thing: the tires will lose grip.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

Have you tried the Easy Race setups or setups borrowed from people who set fast laps? I thought the tire model in LFS sucked until I tried more dialed in setups (not the ones that ship with the game). Now I'm competitive and having fun!

I've tried, but the problem remains. It's really a bug; a really old bug.

Try to stop one car in LFS (GTI, per example), and make a full turn of the wheel, then push throttle until you reach 25 km/h. You'll see a unbelieveable thing: the tires will lose grip.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I disagree. There's no reason that the game should be the least bit playable using a keyboard. Imagine driving your car if you only had no throttle and full throttle. I doubt you'd be able to get to the store and back without crashing, yet people expect to make it around a race track with no problem?

There's NO reason for anyone to be driving without a wheel. My friend just got a used Logitech Driving Force off ebay for $10US. TEN DOLLARS! You can't afford NOT to have a wheel if you expect to play a realistic driving game.

Buy a wheel and download the Easy Race and Road setups for the cars. I guarantee you'll not only have no problem driving the cars, but you'll have the most fun you've ever had with a driving game in your life.

Yep, I agree. But the problem of 'soap racing' remains.

Quote from Captain K. :

I'm very satisfied with the handling of the GTI.
But i think that most of the other cars slide WAY too much.
It's beyond realistic. Like giving gas, or contra steering has almost no effect at all.
Even at slow speeds you slide and slide and slide..
So please, remove the layer of soap from the asfalt.
Ofcourse there have to be a limit where the cars start sliding, but i just feel that it is odd now.
The traction of the dirt tracks works pretty good.

Yeah. Most of fans don't admit, but when you run in LFS, it looks like you are on racing soap. It's really amazing that the DEVs didn't fix it until now, after almost three years of project. And when you talk about it, you'll always listen the same bullshlt (sic): "we're in alpha stage of S2...". Blah-blah-blah... :rolleyes: