Quote from 666MePhIsTo666 :

Good news then.

Thats the point, its written since 2 month that LR will not longer organize the GTAL and you know this first after my last post? Shame on YOU!

Oh and shut up next time. We have nothing said as we noticed that Fluid Racing participates in IGTC since the 4 race. Ohh oopsss we know that and let you drive with scoring, bad bad admins.

Quote from Austbong :

That is a really charming answer from you.
And why don't you want to discuss this? Our goal is not to change what was done, but to know how a team gets bonus points, bypassing the rules.

You should be more comprehensive in this types of situations ..

Well no!? Its wayne to me!
I do not organizise the GTAL anymore so your oppinion is not relevant for me.
The result of GTAL S1 is, as i said, final and will not be changed.

So why should i discussing about this?

The drivers here are so ignorante, discussing all the time about rules they never had read. Flaming on admins, because they ****ed up in races. Thats real big shit... why you do this only in GTAL? Because is a amateur league with ****ing admins? We are using 90% of the IGTC Rules, the other 10% are MoE Rules... anyways i'am out of this now

What you think is wayne to me.

The result and decision are final. Nothing more to discuss.

Quote from count.bazley :

Yeah I've never known a DQ to be anything other than not counting as a finish.

They raced, they finished (and thats the point) and get DQed after race. In rules is not written that a DQ after race counting as not finished. And thats the point. You have totally right, that is a big hole in the rules, because we have forgot to explain what a finished race means.

To the other point with the +3 points. Thats right. I've watched again and normally they should get the +3 points for finishing too. But that will have no affect on the result so i leave that now as it is.

Hi guys,

we are proud to announce the final-standings of the first GTAL Season.

Congratulations to E-Team Racing for winnning the GTAL Championship.

Thank you, to all teams the participated!


Note:
E-Team got also the 10 Points bonus, because in rule 14.2 is written, that a team has to finish all races (means no DNF or DNS).
E-Team finished the first race. Theres not written, that a team must get points in every race which they finish. So they get the 10 points bonus also.

Quote from count.bazley :

No you finished 14th. #15, #16 and #32 all lost connection during the race but finished ahead of you. That is the whole point of the tracker, to keep track of where cars are when they disconnect.

Totally correct!

Replay is up now:
http://gtaltracker.lightning-racing.de/GTAL_Race5.mpr

Quote from Sir moi 407 :

Gratz to Xcite Racing
That race was just awesome
I think E-Team is second in championship with 1 point between us and Fluid Racing which is really good knowing that we got DQ from first race because of... you know ^^
Anyway congratz to Fluid Racing for the championship lead! I'm happy it's a portugese team winning (As I am portuges )

Well thats not save, because Fluid Race gets a penalty for chatting served after race. But we will se hopefully tomorow.

Quote from Tomhah :

Your Team: 30 - Griffin Sim Racing
Driver to Report/Team: 32 (I think?)
Race Time: Around 3 hours and 5 minutes
Lap/Sector: 75-76?
What Happened: I didnt see it, but Ken told me that he crashed him in the rear.

Car #32 gets an DT for spinning car #30.

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

Your Team: SRS
Driver to Report/Team: 39
Race Time: 2h38m
Lap/Sector: Lap 65 (for our car) sector 2
What Happened: 39 spins and gets stuck in the gravel. Comes back onto the track and our driver spins in avoidance. I didn't see the accident from in the server; only on remote, and it looked quite dodgy so I thought it best to report.

DT to car 39 for unsafe rejoin on track and changing controls on raceline

Hi, post your protests exactly like this (otherwise it will be ignored):


Your Team:
Driver to Report/Team:
Race Time:
Lap/Sector:
What Happened:

But remember, think before you post

Password is the same as in last race. If anyone had not participated in last race, feel free to contact me.

If anyone needs the password feel free to contact me.

Quote from boothy :

Regards the layout on KY3R, will there be penalties like in IGTC and MoE for:

a) hitting cones in qualifying - delete that quali time?
b) hitting the cones constantly in the race - DT?

Yes.

Quote from jibber :

Maybe you are very good looking, and extremely boring at the same time (which they find out later)... just joking.

Oh man, that could be true

Quote from Greboth :

Your name is well suited then though I think devildare was talking about your very first date not just first dates.

I remember mine, went rather well to be honest. We had been mates for few months and asked her out n ofcourse she said yes lol. Went to the pub for a few drinks, which ended up being most of the day. Got a kiss goodbye too Was the start of a 6 month relationship too.

Well ok, but on my real first date as a teenage (about 16 years old) i had at the same day first time sex too. So... absolutly don't know why but this is sometimes quite stupid...

Well maybe i have a problem... i had on every first date after about 30 minutes sex with the girl... hmm but never had a long turn relationship to the girls... umm yeah i have a problem -.-

Well a another bug (maybe) with DT is...

If you are in pits to do your pitstop and get then a DT by Admins, the DT will be deleted by driving out of the pits after the pitstop.

We had this on a GTAL Race...

Quote from luki97 :

but one more thing:
i asked admins after race 3 (fernbay black 6th june) about allowing to race zion team and karma racing when they have raced in round 4th in IGTC (23rd May) and they are (probably) using same drivers in both leagues and i heared answer " if they start racing in IGTC from waiting list its allowed " and now for round 5th in GTAL we got a problem...

Are you able to read!? I'am really angry about this shit...
Flaming and whinig here, flaming and whining there... bähh bäääh bähh

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=60123

Read this -.-
This league is like Formula 1... Every team flames on the organisators but nobody know whats the real problem. Is like some teams have fun in whining and flaming about other teams or admins or someone else...

Stop this discussion now!
We have set now a option and this will be not changed anymore. Theres nothing more to discuss...

Quote from Tomhah :

But when the rule is AGAINST helping a driver to develop, the whole point of the league is taken away? Dont you drive here to develop yourself as a driver and a team? When you take away a nice optertunity for a driver, to test himself against the best drivers, you fail to help him into developing in my eyes. A driver need experience, and its a huge step to do a race in IGTC. One race doesnt mean forever. And then, its wrong to not change the rule, IN MY OPINION.

And yes, Im fully awared of that I might get a "Stop whining, idiot" comment back. I said my opinion in a discussion. I know you wont change it, I just said my opinion. Enjoy it.

Well and my opinion is, reading and understanding the rules is also a part of the develop process of a new team. Some teams this saison can't understand or maybe don't read the rules and if they made a mistake they want a rulechange. Sorry but rulechanges to override their mistakes is not a thing what league organisators should do. If we do that all the time, we can delete the rules, they have nothingelse to say in a league process if we change them for all little shit, that somebody pisses off in a running season.

Edit:
One thing... i can't understand why every race somebody must start a big discussion about a special rule. Unbelievable... Sad that the GTAL Rules are such a shit...

Quote from Mroziu :

ZION Team is in same situation as Capo ARG but in our case almost all our drivers that are available now has driven in last IGTC race.

GTAL has been developed as a result of many many teams excluded from this year IGTC (lack of places). Our team was in same position as rest of teams that started this GTAL season with no experience in professional endurance racing. And now, before last race we are in situation that we can't finish competition, which is kind of weird.

In my opinion this rule should state like this
- No driver in the lineup had participated in the current or previous MoE or IGTC season before GTAL season start or before application to GTAL was filled (whatever occurred first). In case of adding driver to line up those rule applies to moment that driver was added.

In this form this rule would exclude all previous IGTC and MoE drivers from entering the season (And this probably what this rule is all about) and allow all the teams to finish started season. And in next season (if occurs, what I personally hope so) all those drivers will be automatically excluded from GTAL. So would be amateur league, but team on waiting list on other leagues can take their chances to enter IGTC or MoE.

Please consider this rule change to allow all the teams for finish current season with theirs original lineups.

The rule will be not changed in this season. After this season you can discuss with the new organisators. Nothing more to say.
Btw. we have often say that we DON'T change rules in a running season. Because it would be unfair to others teams.

You have read the rules and accepted with your application so you know the fact, that driver's which race in IGTC or MOE are excluded from GTAL.
So don't whine now about this rule!

Last edited by Mojo1987, Sun 2 Aug 2009, 13:38.

Well, the rules are clear in that case. Paticipation in IGTC or MoE will result in a start ban in the GTAL for the driver.

The CAPO ARG Team can participate without A. Copertine, thats no problem.

If A. Copertine want to race, there is one possiblity as a exeption we are doing because you have already a spot.

C. Reetz from TDRT starts too in IGTC last race. That LR can drive in the last GTAL race (our goodbye race), we have decided to start as GUEST without assessment in the results.

I offer you to start as guest too, with A. Copertine, but without assesment in the results of the last race. You will get 0 points for race 5 no matter what position you get in race.

Oh god really nice, i want buy one!

Quote from oldnavy :

They can dirve as a guest team man

No, they can't. K.O'Keefe is not allowed to take part in GTAL.

Quote from oldnavy :

Rules are rules

Totally correct. The Pilot X aka A. Copertine is not longer allowed to race in GTAL Season 1.