I'm sure TG presenters are made out the same stuff Toyota Hilluxs are.

Either that or there's someone upstairs who's a TG fan.

A quick rant here:

Fair play on the BBC's part delaying TG while RH recovers, but replacing Sunday night's best of TG with Battle of the Geeks hosted by a Mr R.Hammond just makes a mockery of that.

That and Sky are still showing Brainiac episodes hosted by Hammond. I fully expect Time Commanders to be on next week

I'd love to see these MPs proof of TG's bad safety record. If anything so we can see the lads at their best when insulting something

Quote from Bradracer :

Well at least hammond is ok now, and from what i hear Top Gear is coming, and staying back on air. It also seems hamster wants to get back on TV to stop Top Gear ending (Good boy hammond), because the crazy environmentalists are having a fit over Top Gears "bad safety record"...... i dont think so, go back to tree hugging please.....
A quote from an MP.... "and in 1999 a group of MPs criticised the series for being "obsessed with acceleration and speed"..... it is TOP GEAR..... not 1ST GEAR, god MP's, dont you just love to hate them?

What bad safety record?

Clarkson himself has said that in the 20 odd years TG has been going in it's various forms Hammond is the first person to end up in hospital with an injury like this.

The next most serious injury in TG's current form is a broken thumb by Clarkson while crashing on purpose into a brick wall.

That's a helluva safety record considering the stunts they do.

Heck the MP for hell and speed cameras has been on the show as has an MP for the Green party (fastest political party, worth it for the send up of election night).

Damn enviromentalists!

GO CLARKSON!

Quote from Blackout :

Ofcourse the show will not be put down, but it seems the new series will be delayed.



That's from BBC News

Shame that. I was reading some of what they're doing in TG mag today, Miami to New Orleans TG style meeting The Stig's hillbilly cousin on the way?

'Ave it!

Quote from Blackout :

He means he must make sure that some idiots won't shut the show down. A guote From The Sun Online "Richard is winning his fight. And now mine begins. To make sure that he has a show to come back to." http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006440317,00.html

They won't close it down.

All Clarkson has to do is hold up TG's safety record up until Hammond's crash. It's exemplary btw.

The BBC is hardly going to cancel one of their best and most highly rated shows after one accident that could of happened to anyone. Regardless of what some groups may demand

Bad example of something going wrong then.

Quote from nutty boy :

Update: Apparently Richard Hammond wanted the filmers to carry on filming so he could do a report in the helicopter, he wasn't allowed though. Jeremy also said that he made a joke insulting his driving and Hammond smiled. That must also mean that in the night he has been awake again.
Jeremy also says that the only visible injury he has is a black eye. My dad reckons that Richard possibly won't be on TV again because he could quite possibly be in a wheelchair. He also said, because people are complaining about the things included on the show that Top Gear could be scrapped forever. I'm going to think differently to my dad, just to be on a positive note. Top Gear is due to start again on October 8th. Don't know if it will though.

TG will go back on the air.

TG's safety record is better than most starts in LFS, every risk is a calculated one and occasionally bad things happen (Hammond tipping his van over in the last series for example). Considering some of the stunts they've done before you'd expect worse things to have happened to them before.

No point taking a show off the air on the back of one accident that could of happened to anybody regardless whether their name is Richard Hammond or The Stig.

Quote from Tweaker :

Lack of grip where? on the front, or the rear? Or both?

Post a replay of some laps, and your setup too. That will help.

It seems from the way the car is going, the backend goes first and then the front goes with it.

This seems to happen with the default setups as well. I'm doing the same speed into corners as other drivers are using (I checked, this is really annoying me) and they don't seem to be having any sliding problems.

I've used a fair few different setups and the same problem occurs.

Would putting more downforce on the car help?

Lowering the ride height maybe?

I seem to have a problem with lack of grip on the tyres in the hatchback. Tyres are the standard roadgoing ones, so I doubt that's the problem, any pointers to what it might be?

Quick question.

There seems to be a bug that hasn't been fixed in the latest patch. It concerns the first chicane on Blackwood, more specifically the red & white barriers on the small island on the left.

Driving into them with any speed at all (I once went into them at about 3Km/H) causes the car to flip high into the air pulling several somersaults, landing, rolling a bit and making the car look a bit of a mess.

Is it just my system that this has been happening on or is this a game wide problem?

Demo version used.

Quote from Blackout :

Matt did the smart thing and bought the license, 24 guid well spend. Welcome to the full version
PCCD, you should maybe do the same if you like LFS so much. It seems like you do, it seem so obvious

Eventually I will.

Problem is obviously am I going to get anything out of it other than a ulcer after spinning out because I repositioned 5 inchs to the right after tapping the turn right key.

See I learnt my "craft" on R:Racing Evolution, this is quite realistic, tons of cars/tracks etc.

I can drive one of the fastest cars in that game (Audi Le Man R6 Works) around tracks like Phillips Island without spinning the car and without looking like a chav in his first Ford GTI.

I fire up LFS for the first time and begin learning in the Hatchback. Easy enough I think and move to the next car up. Foot to the floor, bit of tyre smoke...LOTS OF TYRE SMOKE!!!...THE ENGINE IS SMOKING!!!

Ahem...

So I killed the engine and started over. Fanned the accelerator and began driving up and down the car park to get used to it (brake stopping times, top speed etc). So after finding that rather easy I decide to try some basic laps around the car park. Putting my earlier spins down to me really throwing the car about with liberal amounts of hand brake, I set off.

I begin to turn...easy...easy...easy...THE BACKEND HAS GONE!!! catch the backend...THE BACKEND HAS GONE THE OPPOSITE WAY!!! Bonnet into fence action begins.

If you didn't understand that (I don't blame you ) I'll summarise here:

I can drive a car capable of 200 odd MPH around a track with no problems.

I can't drive a car capable of doing less than half of that.

Quote from matt_green84 :

Hi, first post.

Been racing LFS for a couple of weeks, and i'm getting the hang of it, but want some practice around other cars, as an empty track isn't really realistic.

So, i jumped on the demo servers, to find on each one at least 3 people going the wrong way round the track aiming at people. Its really frustrating, but as i'm not particularly competent yet, i don't wanna 'clog up' or slow down the licenced servers.

Anyone had a similar experience? Any reccomendations of a noob licenced server. I will buy the licence later today i think!

They will have finished and are now indulging in the post race pileup. I indulge from time to time but refrain from going backward if there's still folk left to finish.

Driving backward during a race is a one way trip to the nosebleed seats in the stand. Although it is a little sensitive, once I span the car and ended up with my back to a barrier and had to go back up the track. So I waited for the coast to clear and drove forward.

Wrong Way - PCCD - Spectating

was my response

Yeah, I quite like the XFG since you're not worried about spinning the car as much, you can get on with actual race strategy and all that. Really get into the actual meat and bones of racing without worrying if the backend will go sideways if you so much as look at the brake.

Like I said before though, a good server one night may become full of idiots another night and then back to normal again. It's hard to find one consistantly good server to stick with.

Dunno about a TL demo. I still haven't master the RWD and FWD cars. I'll master them first then buy.

Quote from SamH :

A rant is a rant. Sometimes you need to get your feelings out, field a response, and then figure out if where you're at is reasonable or reasoned in comparison with the position of other people. Rants are good for this.

You're looking for the same thing we're looking for - decent racing, responsible opposition, an apology when it's deserved, room to pass when you earn it, a hard fight to the line.

The difference between us is that you're looking for it on Demo servers, and we know that the only place to BE SURE to find it is on S2 servers.

One thing you said, which I think is important to mention, is that Demo drivers are apparent pillars of the community. A pillar is something that supports a structure. S2 licenced drivers support LFS. Demo drivers don't. S2 drivers invest £24 in LFS, but Demo drivers don't. Many Demo drivers become S2 in time, and there are many Demo drivers who are tremendous ambassadors for LFS, through their commitment to the game and their willingness to help others get up to speed - but they're not pillars of LFS, until they've moved from Demo to S2. Just wanted to make that point

Yeah, the pillars of the community bit was a bit more esoteric than I'd like.

I was making reference to someone who went about wrecking every car he saw, ironic considering his name which I won't mention. Yet when challenged, most agreed that I for some reason was in the wrong for doing nothing more than what I usually. IE Hang back from the first corner and then weave my way through the carnage as best I can. Yet here comes Idiot with his LOL HES A SUXXOR HAXXOR CRASHER!!! LOL!!!

Six votes later I was gone. Pissed at the fact he took the time to personally address me before I went with the words LOL SUXXOR!!!

Arsehole...

I do realise that their are people who are pretty good at this and are much better than the demo idiots, yourselves for example. I just wasn't expecting there to be so many idiots on the demo servers. Guess I was lulled by the first two nights...

It was a rant.

I read the warning but didn't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as it is.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Sorry to say, ut no more moany stories ... its a game not a carrear (spelling)


When you click find host button it clearly says That there may be some idiots who ruin it for others.....

Note the word "some".

Didn't say anything about the majority trying to ruin it for others...

Quote from Electrik Kar :

I'm trying to digest some basic rules of racing atm. Here's what the AAL (Australasian Leage) says about blue flag situation at the chicanes...




http://www.australasianleague.com/rules.html

I'm not sure if this is a universal racing rule (are there any universal racing rules? I'm seriously asking) but hopefully it can help your case a bit.

Anyway- try to have fun

I really wish it was. I've ended up in situations where I've been a back marker coming into a chicane and finding that people will ram you as if it was some kind of punishment for not letting them past. As a result since you're turning at the same time you spin out and end up in a wall or in the case of BW sometimes into the barriers on the small island in the middle. And with the raised corner sections on that chicane you will end up with a rolled car and quite often getting the blame for any accidents that happen while you're not in control of the car.


Good story this. Blackwood again, going along the long straight near the start slipstreamed the guy in front of me, overtook leaving plenty of room between me and him when I pulled out and plenty of room when I pulled back in again.

Idiot voted to ban PCCD.

I challenged him on why he was voting to ban me, his response?

"You overtook me, Noob"

Bear in mind I wasn't a backmarker and this was for the lead, pretty crap eh?

Well several people agreed that this was some kind of crime against humanity and voted that I should go.



You just can't win sometimes!

Some kind of moderation would be great. OK granted people with the full S2 game obviously know that this kind of idiocy doesn't go on in the full game, people with just the demo don't know that.

I was thinking about coughing up for the license after playing single player for a while. But then I got online and suddenly I met unemployed village idiots everywhere and this made me wonder if there was any point if this is how possibly a fair few people behave in the full game. From what I've read here that appears to be not the case however, shows what I know I guess...

So I may spring for one if anything for a go in one of the openwheelers...

Problem is with the finding really good servers and sticking with them is that people change servers all the time. So one night a server may be full of cracking players. The following night it may be full of idiots.

You can't win in other words. As a rule and I think a fair few other people follow this rule as well, if someone is up for a banning and he has done nothing wrong that I've seen, I don't vote. Shame a fair few people decide that because a vote is up pressing the 1 key is the best thing they can do.

It's a rant and I realise people may think I'm complaining for the sake of it, but I'm not happy about it and wanted to make a point.

I take it anyone who plays racing games knows a thing or two about racing so take this situation:

The track is Blackwood GP. I'm about to enter the first chicane when I see a message from the person behind me telling me about a blue flag and to let him through. I see no blue flag warning on screen, but decide to let him through on the straight. He obviously thought I was being an idiot, as I saw the same message several times before pulling over on the straight and letting him through.

I ask you: in that chicane where am I supposed to pull over to? It seems reasonable that someone can wait until the straight to get past, right? This person however thought best to call me a F'ing idiot in the post race pile up for that particular misdimeaner.

Secondly, same track. Second to last corner, I brake to about 100KM/H which is a pretty decent speed for that corner, I get rammed in the back by someone who thought 165Km/H was a good speed for that corner. Clearly though the crash was my fault, because next thing I know F'ing idiot is displayed in the top left of my screen again. Along with a ban vote which the sum total of noone voted for.

Last but not least, same track again. I got rammed on the back right tyre which made me lose control of the car and go into a third person and do a fair bit of damage to both cars. Yet according to the person I smashed into through no fault of my own! this was my fault. And to rub salt into the wounds there was a vote with the person who crashed into me saying that if people pressed 1 there would be a non crashing race (Fat chance). At which point everyone voted 1 and that was the end of me.

See I look at it this way, these are people who are apparent pillars of LFS car driving and yet they can take the blame for crashes caused by them. Common responses to challenges about their behavior is the afore mentioned idiot insult or "And your lap time is?".

This isn't right and at the end of the day could end up driving (no pun intended) players away because of eliteism amongst a select group of other players.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to say something.