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Quote from PCCD :Good story this. Blackwood again, going along the long straight near the start slipstreamed the guy in front of me, overtook leaving plenty of room between me and him when I pulled out and plenty of room when I pulled back in again.

Sorry to say, ut no more moany stories ... its a game not a carrear (spelling)

Quote from PCCD :Some kind of moderation would be great. OK granted people with the full S2 game obviously know that this kind of idiocy doesn't go on in the full game, people with just the demo don't know that.

When you click find host button it clearly says That there may be some idiots who ruin it for others.....
Said so many times before but buy s2 as soon as you can
I played demo for about a months in which time i had uncountable bad races but i saw on here about s2 is good clean and fair so i bought s2 and they were right. Iv had races where t1 gets messy, where someones made risky move and weve crashed etc but 99% times its followed by a "sorry my bad" Usually crashes in my experience are t1 or when racing people about the same speed as yourself and if you crash then next race can be wheel to wheel for whole race. Unless someone is being a total noob or wrecker then again in 99% of time all is forgiven with a sorry.

Also said best £24 you will spend. lfs is the longest time ive played a game (8 months so far) and still i play most nights
#28 - PCCD
Quote from S14 DRIFT :Sorry to say, ut no more moany stories ... its a game not a carrear (spelling)


When you click find host button it clearly says That there may be some idiots who ruin it for others.....

Note the word "some".

Didn't say anything about the majority trying to ruin it for others...
There is a clear warning ... Read it, and acknowledge.... people say "buy S2" not because your a demo racer, but the fact your complaining about playing on demo servers where most of the idiots are ....
There is a warning ---- Its not going to blow up your pc. You have been a member since Septemebr 2006 - Oh Yes thats this month and its the 9th ... so thats max of 9 days ... 9 days to experience the demo stuff. I dont wish to patronise or anything, but there is a clear warning from teh Devs when you click to find demo hosts ... and your complaining about it .... And I dont think its the "majority" that ruin it for you ... Many races I have done on Dedicated Team Demo Servers may have the 1st corner pileup ... but hey , normally a restart is done and we continue on
#30 - PCCD
It was a rant.

I read the warning but didn't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as it is.
#31 - SamH
A rant is a rant. Sometimes you need to get your feelings out, field a response, and then figure out if where you're at is reasonable or reasoned in comparison with the position of other people. Rants are good for this.

You're looking for the same thing we're looking for - decent racing, responsible opposition, an apology when it's deserved, room to pass when you earn it, a hard fight to the line.

The difference between us is that you're looking for it on Demo servers, and we know that the only place to BE SURE to find it is on S2 servers.

One thing you said, which I think is important to mention, is that Demo drivers are apparent pillars of the community. A pillar is something that supports a structure. S2 licenced drivers support LFS. Demo drivers don't. S2 drivers invest £24 in LFS, but Demo drivers don't. Many Demo drivers become S2 in time, and there are many Demo drivers who are tremendous ambassadors for LFS, through their commitment to the game and their willingness to help others get up to speed - but they're not pillars of LFS, until they've moved from Demo to S2. Just wanted to make that point
You're already a mod SamH you can't be promoted again ...
#33 - SamH
ROFL!!
#34 - PCCD
Quote from SamH :A rant is a rant. Sometimes you need to get your feelings out, field a response, and then figure out if where you're at is reasonable or reasoned in comparison with the position of other people. Rants are good for this.

You're looking for the same thing we're looking for - decent racing, responsible opposition, an apology when it's deserved, room to pass when you earn it, a hard fight to the line.

The difference between us is that you're looking for it on Demo servers, and we know that the only place to BE SURE to find it is on S2 servers.

One thing you said, which I think is important to mention, is that Demo drivers are apparent pillars of the community. A pillar is something that supports a structure. S2 licenced drivers support LFS. Demo drivers don't. S2 drivers invest £24 in LFS, but Demo drivers don't. Many Demo drivers become S2 in time, and there are many Demo drivers who are tremendous ambassadors for LFS, through their commitment to the game and their willingness to help others get up to speed - but they're not pillars of LFS, until they've moved from Demo to S2. Just wanted to make that point

Yeah, the pillars of the community bit was a bit more esoteric than I'd like.

I was making reference to someone who went about wrecking every car he saw, ironic considering his name which I won't mention. Yet when challenged, most agreed that I for some reason was in the wrong for doing nothing more than what I usually. IE Hang back from the first corner and then weave my way through the carnage as best I can. Yet here comes Idiot with his LOL HES A SUXXOR HAXXOR CRASHER!!! LOL!!!

Six votes later I was gone. Pissed at the fact he took the time to personally address me before I went with the words LOL SUXXOR!!!

Arsehole...

I do realise that their are people who are pretty good at this and are much better than the demo idiots, yourselves for example. I just wasn't expecting there to be so many idiots on the demo servers. Guess I was lulled by the first two nights...
Keep in mind also, the time your probably playing, these protagonist are just getting home from elementary school/middle school/high school, probably a bit riled up, and ready to hit someone for a cheap laugh. IMO and as has been mentioned before on other threads, most of the people that are "good racers" on the demo servers usually "play while the kiddies are away" (i'll let you take that however you like).
PCCD
So now you come to the forums to went your frustration? This is just what they want! If he is reading this he is laughing his ass off. Wreckers are simply attention whores, nothing more, nothing less. Attention is what they want, good or bad. Ignoring them is the worse you can do to them!

And no offence but you are a new player without experience. I know some new players who try to acknowledge the blue flag with the most idiotic maneuvers trying to let you pass. You can see he is trying to let you pass but his inability to steer properly in extreme situations and not knowing the tracks ideal line is making him block you.

I see you really like this game since you can get so upset because of it. So I strongly advise you to buy this game in whatever means possible. In S2 there is no list of servers that are good but there is a list of bad servers. And as far as I know the list has 1 entry hehe.

The demo is a barbaric society where you die without friends and the full S2 is an utopia with very few bad seeds. The main reason for this is that because in the full S2 players are banned by their nickname that cannot be changed while in the demo if you have a dynamic IP you can just reconnect. Also in full S2 the age of players is dramatically increased. The average player age in S2 is 26,32 (lfsworld.net data) and in the demo most people are around 14-18.
Well either a) get into a relativly idiot free environment with S2 £24 Isnt a lot of money or b) Put up with it or c) .... what goes here?


and Kurent ... im 15 that is a broad sweeing comment u've just made... i never wreck and I never do stupid manevours .... and I know many others in that age group u mentioned who are fine racers ....
Quote from S14 DRIFT : .... what goes here?

locke yourself in a padded room for 365 days. with the stig.
omfg he would kill ya ...
me - Hi stiggy
stig - ......
me - wanna havea race I go in the mini and you go in the skoda
stig - ....... (blinks sideways here)
im going for demo-servers from time to time, sometimes for the memories, just to have this gti-feeling back.
oh well, its true. its worse than ever. a bunch of childish idiots all over the place. some good fair racers though, but in minority.

yesterday someone came in and asked promptly: how can i ban? illepall

hmmmm....how about a time-limited demo?

#41 - PCCD
Dunno about a TL demo. I still haven't master the RWD and FWD cars. I'll master them first then buy.
S14 DRIFT:
I never said all of 15 year olds are idiots, I merely pointed out that statistically there are more idiots in that age group.
Quote from kurent :PCCD
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The average player age in S2 is 26,32 (lfsworld.net data) and in the demo most people are around 14-18.

I'd like to know where you got the italic bit of info.
Anyway I think age has little to do with behaviour although it plays a role in general. Reading some of the posts here I wouldn't tell they were written by 12-14 yearolds, I'd guess something like 18+. And you have the other end, like kid (no offence)
Quote from K.David :I'd like to know where you got the italic bit of info.

LFSWorld like he said.
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I think, he meant the age of the demo drivers.
Oh yeeeeeees....that's a hard one.
Some people stay childish, even if they are 40+.
From talking to many many demo players.
PCCD, I race mostly on the demo servers and get banned regularly, sometimes even when I'm nowhere near any incident, someone just picks my name from the list and starts the banning process and the sheep start pressing 1. Or the server is full and someone bans you so their friend can join.

You just have to suffer the childish behaviour and go onto another server, or start your own so no one can ban you then.

I feel your pain though, but some good racing can be had on the demo.
PCCD I race on the demo servers often, as I like the XFG. I don't have much time I can devote to LFS so I pretty much stick to one car. Unfortunately the XFG is not popular on S2 servers(#1), so I normally have a look in S2 servers for an XFG combo but if I find none then I goto the demo.

Demo is bad overall for finding a good race and fair drivers. Having said that 80% of the experiences I have on demo are ok and 20% or more are very good. I rarely get banned, I only remember 1 or 2 times in the last year. The things I do when going onto a demo server are:

1. Get to know the good drivers and look out for them. If you recognise a good driver from before, chances are it will be an ok server as he would have left already if not
2. Watch all the drivers on the server for a lap or two before joining to see if the majority are at a similar level to yourself (within +/- 1 sec)
3. Preferably find a server with an active admin present. Can be hard to find at times but if you look around abit you can find them. They are often full so you may need to try several times to get into a good server.
4. If the server your in begins to turn to shit, leave and repeat the above

I will not name servers as admins are not always present, and the times I get online will probably be different to you. At the times I get online 1 or 2 in 10 maybe admined.

#1 I have noticed that the XFG is being raced a bit more often on the S2 servers in the last few weeks so that is encouraging

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