Quote from NotAnIllusion :

The options are irrelevant as the correct context is show in every one of them.

Oh sh*t :/

Then why did he used option D?

And WOW, he used "racing" in the game's slogan as well...

I'm shocked.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Now post the quote in the original context

Ok, I selected the important part to this post, but I'll let you aswer what was the whole phrase.

What's the original Scawen's statement?

A) "It MUST be optimised as a driving simulator, not a screenshot generator."
B) "It MUST be optimised as a drifting simulator, not a screenshot generator."
C) "It MUST be optimised as a cruising simulator, not a screenshot generator."
D) "It MUST be optimised as a racing simulator, not a screenshot generator."

A, B, C or D?

Quote from Matrixi :

Since when is a simple slogan supposed to determine how the complete game is to be constructed?

Following your logic, it would seem odd for LFSWorld to have a "drifter" driver type selectable in your profile.

Then they should change one of two things: the slogan or the game.

By the way, someone once said "It MUST be optimised as a racing simulator..."

+1

Hate when I'm trying to race with bad connection conditions... 2 or 3 hard to find playable servers and a billion demo servers...

Quote from kamkorPL :

Oh really? Insteed of getting support for drifting, which is a motorsport, we get support for cruising. Ofcourse someone will soon reply saying that cruising support is pure racing related.

And since the thread was bumped. I will post some nice pics (not mine):
(pics)

Don't know if I made my point understandable, let me complete it.

LFS' slogan is "Online racing simulator". If we follow this extreme direction, then all cars should have <20° steering, rollcages, bucket seats and all that well discussed safety stuff that is mandatory in every door-to-door legal racing in the world. A "racing simulator", pure or not, should follow this line, otherwise it would be a "driving simulator", changing the game's slogan to the Gran Turismo's one and making the things a lot different.

As a driving simulator, then yes, I would defend drifting with >48° steering (yet with the real world safety rules though), cruising (this, and only this, should use street legal cars). As a racing simulator, this things just wouldn't fit.

Imo, it's an identity question.

Quote from lizardfolk :

Yeh, who says stock cars have to run exclusively on ovals? I'd even be happy with a Stock Car Brasilish car or a TC car.

Of course, if stock cars isn't what the devs have in mind then the prototype would make me just as happy

Ohhh no, all right with the Argentinean Turismo Carretera, but the Brazilian Stock Cars suck :/ same LS1 jurassic engine, same chassis, same body (just with different headlight decals), 10 to 20 cars in the same second, rare overtaking, boring sound and limited revs... T_T

And it's not what I would like the most, but Le Mans prototypes would fit perfectly with the actual GTR class for endurance races. One with closed roof for S3 and a spyder one for the near future, with different engines and main characteristics, just like the real Le Mans Series and GTR class...

My solution to this problem, in case you don't have money, space, time or interest to make the wheel worth it: practice a lot with the mouse.

I defend the teory that LFS is a pure racing simulator. So, you don't have any reason to put 48° steering like in D1 cars...

But following this extreme direction, you can remember that normal racing cars use far less than 36°. "They are road legal cars", you can say. But then, they wouldn't be allowed to race.

It's a hard question...

Just thinking about it... 2013 = S4/£48? S5/£60? S6/£72?

And about the updates in the next years... will LFS keep up with the gaming market advances? Talking about hardware, PPU+GPU+CPU, directx, hi-res scanning, wide-band expansion (other exclusive luxury online racing simulators?), and stuff... I know I'll be attacked from everywhere, but I believe that, with the development speed we have since 2003, 2005... it won't.

Quote from 5haz :

Vaguely relevant, I remember watching this live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3r6-ELiSy0

It's always great to see a race from meters of the track, I do it every time I can...

But here's a question: if CART World Series didn't fill that 52,000 grandstand seats... what would fill them?

Quote from Calvinaquino :

So when is the S3 (or should it be renamed to L3? License 3? Access Level 3?)
Pre-order is going to be avaliable?
Rickingham's name in LFS will be ROC? RNH? ROC seems more like it.
ROC and SCI.

No pre-order announced yet, Rockingham may be ROK (since that's how it's named on the official screenshots and maybe because ROC would remember Race Of Champions), and Scirocco will be VWS (as we can already see in LFS Viewer).

Quote from Scawen :

Correct, the S3 license will not be sold on the promise of things to come. Although we imagine we will add additional content in future, and hope for an improved balance between the content available for different licenses eventually, there will be absolutely no guarantee of that. New content may come very slowly or not at all - anything could happen. Anyone who upgrades to S3 must do so only if they think it is worth it for the new track and the new car.

Since this, people who say "it's only one car and one track" are theoretically right, although all we know they're practically wrong...

Or not.

Quote from IlGuercio :

Free of charge,since you like free things:

See you in the forum,looks like you guys cant move an inch from here.
I know,i should quit it...but its such fun to dismantle some people's arguments.

So I think it isn't being so funny lately...

Quote from 5haz :

People moan, then people moan about people moaning, perhaps you could say I'm moaning about people moaning about people moaning?

Sure

Little story:

Several years ago I was a huge fan of Need for Speed. I got disappointed with what the game was becoming. So I went to the official NFS forum to leave my opinion.

It was EXACTLY what just happened here.

Maybe, although games are not, forums about them are all the same...

Quote from IlGuercio :

That's the most ridicolous statement so far.
THEY make the game and THEY decide the right price for it since its THEIR work.
Looks like you already have S2 license so you accepted the contract and bla bla bla.
You won't get any refund,don't you know that?
I mean,seriously,are you really thinking that all this complaining will change something?That's hopeless...
LFS is something you buy because you want to,no one was threatening you with a gun pointing towards your head when clicking on the paypal payment.
You accept and shut up,that's the rule.
Now its damn late for most of your considerations.
If something doesn't suit your tastes you simply let it rot on a shelf...

I didn't mean I'm a share holder, "ridicolous" boy. We, users, are giving our opinion to them, developers. That's something some companies PAY for, feedback is one of the most important things on business.

And what it's usually paid on stores is around US$30. But that's for games made on huge companies with dozens of developers, published by bigger companies, with box and transport and taxes and comissions and publicity, etc...

And that's why I think £36 is too much. But then again, there will be an army of fanboys making a war against my irrational arguments...

IMO, S1 for £8, S2 for £8 and S3 for £8... £36 is way too much.

And about these "If you don't want to pay, fine" guys, I totally disagree... just because I don't want it expensive, or because it's not getting the way I think it's better, it means I have to shut up and get sad?

Quote from lizardfolk :

Just because a lot of the Rock is a roval doesn't mean it has to be character less. It's much slower (even oval wise) and it has a lot of elevation and crests. (Unless rFactor is completely inaccurate)

Oh god, I've never said it's identical to anything, character less, fast, wide or whatever you are talking about... I'm just saying that YES, it has similarities with Kyoto, more than with Blackwood or any other LFS track, and NO, we can't say these tracks have nothing resembling.

Is it so hard to understand?

PS.: JJ72, you don't need an oval to have a wide pitlane...

Quote from JJ72 :

Just skipping the obvious, you might just go and say they are both laid with tarmac, both mostly grey, and both have left and right turns.

Try driving it in rfactor, the infield is hardly flat, there are a lot of crests and camber, the track overall is a lot slower as well, and it will have the first proper hairpin in LFS.

(I don't know why you even includes "large pitland areas", pretty much explains that similiarity ends with the oval tbh.)

Still, they're similar in a load of aspects, not only in appearance and obvious aspects... You could compare to Laguna Seca, Daytona, La Sarthe, Potrero de los Funes, Westhill, Trial Mountain and Toban, then they wouldn't be similar...

Quote from JJ72 :

What? except they both have an oval?

They are nothing similiar, Kyoto has parts outside the oval, rockingham doesn't.

Plus Kyoto is much wider and faster.

Ok, Kyoto has parts outside, Rockingham doesn't, so there's nothing similar? They're ovals, both have almost flat variants inside, both are speedways and not super speedways, both have large pitlane areas... there ARE similarities...

I think sometimes you guys get extreme opinions just to be in the opposite side of the idea...

F1 cars have anti-stall systems since 2004. Safer race start.

Barrichello and his springs.

-1

Great if you are watching DTM on TV or spectating... but where the hell a real racing driver would see something like that? Spotter?

I think the vital information to the driver should be transmitted by the "team" by that common information board. But that is the kind of information you would ask, not the one they would simply send to you lap after lap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8KcT6lpjE

Making a good 2000cc endurance prototype: 70000 brazilian reais
Renting Tarumã racing track for practice: R$4000
Good sets of slick tyres for qualifying: R$5000
Spinning on the "Le Mans style" 12 hours race start: priceless.

Winning the race after that shit: a kick in the ass of the humorists

Three points for the spanish guys going to Valencia to see Schumacher's return:

- Alonso (at least until now) won't race;
- Mark Gene, spanish Le Mans 24h winner and test driver won't race for Ferrari;
- Jaime Alguersuari will be the only home driver, for Toro Rosso.

I bet FIA will put Alonso back on the track, otherwise we'll have some very desapointed spectators...