LFS now has a formula 1 car 10/10, well there's not much in this patch to be honest, the physics really haven't changed all that much, sure they are alittle better in how the cars handle compared to before, but its not OMG THIS IS A NEW SIM feelling, I will wait for S2 final before looking at LFS again in review form unless I do any comparison articles
well I could run around with 15 front wing and 0 rear wing, if that would help !
illepall 
brighten'd up my day 
ballast is one of the most stupid ideas in motorsport, why the hell would you want it in a sim
/me adds ballast to kidcodea
/me adds ballast to kidcodea
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you have 300 posts, the above
USELESS!
haha, nah i find it interesting to discuss different thoughts on subjects
illepallsite is back, for now, I hope for longer 
site will be back asap, just sorting out some issues that happened over the weekend, sorry.
he's just a lazy ass and can't be bothered to find his log info
Words from the master of BHMS!
don't shoot the messenger! although I know how much you'd like tooillepall
don't shoot the messenger! although I know how much you'd like too
illepalljust a general number out my head that I feels represents the number, seriously, every single racing game I've played has damage now, apart from the GT series, for example, gtr, gtl, nascar, project gotham racing, rallisport challenge, world racing, wrc games, formula 1 games.
GT series is a huge marketing thing for the car makers, and I'm sure put in a position, be included or not they'd suffer damage on there cars just to get in the game.
sorry, I meant driving, not racing
yes, the racing in GT4 is awful90% do not mind car damage, its why virtually every single other car game allows damage
but they are so many cars in GT4, it would require every single model to be recreated, as you can't just have a flat 3d model, you have to model the different parts of the car in 3d that fall off or get damage I believe which increases the polygon count no end along with the time needed to add cars.I believe it also had to do with the fact programming damage to the developers standard would of taken too much time and would of taken too much power from the ps2 to do.
but that is you making the wrong asumption that realism is a bad thing and the only way to make a popular game is to be hardcade, and that is where i think people have it wrong
well I was thinking of something alittle more advanced, GT4 is just a basic game, although done to a very refined finish and it probally captures the whole essence of racing more than any other title, more so when watching the replays.
But my idea of a racing simulation is to drive a virtual car in a virtual world, not just a 3d model, i hope this will come as pc tech improves.
If you added some of this feel in Gt4 to LFS visually, alot more refined physics, the sounds of GTR, you'd have a pretty decent sim on your hands
But my idea of a racing simulation is to drive a virtual car in a virtual world, not just a 3d model, i hope this will come as pc tech improves.
If you added some of this feel in Gt4 to LFS visually, alot more refined physics, the sounds of GTR, you'd have a pretty decent sim on your hands
I disagree, there is a huge chance for a racing simulation to become mainstream, and I don't mean mainstream NFS style. It just has to be good enough to step it to that challenge, as imo there is a huge market just waiting for a simulation that blows everyone away.
I class physics as the physics in the game, and what the car is told to be, each car has different values and that is why they handle different I would guess, and as different cars require different areas of the physics engine, certain flaws are exposed more in certain cars.
It was not about not been able to drive the RWD cars, it was why they felt the way they do, which took the 'reward' factor out of LFS, when driving LFS you do not feel you are picking up a car and driving it, you feel you are driving to an invisible limit, driving blind to a certain degree.
As I said in the review, this is hard to pin point, but I feel its physics, but also, the way the sim transfers what the physics are doing to the player, for example, imagine watching real life footage on tv and you driving it behind a TV, you couldn't feel that level of immersion from just that. You have to put things into the 'sim' to represent certain feelings, so when you slam on the brakes you feel that power of braking, when you turn into a corner you feel that grip, the tires pushing and than the tires losing the grip.
I just didn't get this in LFS because it feels so weak, visually, sounds, and just general atmosphere, the way the cockpit moves event when adjusted doesn't get that feeling across.
If you watch any car tv program, for example, like Top Gear when they really throw the cars about, and compare to LFS, real life has much more anger to it, more bite to it, more weight to it.
This is just my view of course
As I said in the review, this is hard to pin point, but I feel its physics, but also, the way the sim transfers what the physics are doing to the player, for example, imagine watching real life footage on tv and you driving it behind a TV, you couldn't feel that level of immersion from just that. You have to put things into the 'sim' to represent certain feelings, so when you slam on the brakes you feel that power of braking, when you turn into a corner you feel that grip, the tires pushing and than the tires losing the grip.
I just didn't get this in LFS because it feels so weak, visually, sounds, and just general atmosphere, the way the cockpit moves event when adjusted doesn't get that feeling across.
If you watch any car tv program, for example, like Top Gear when they really throw the cars about, and compare to LFS, real life has much more anger to it, more bite to it, more weight to it.
This is just my view of course
how is it a misleading score, the score represents my own feelings as where I feel LFS currently is, why way of scoring games is to give them a score based on what I think it deserves for what the product I''am reviewing is.
As for online experence, I played it enough to know the following
1. Online code is excellent
2. Races can be excellent
3. Races can be awful
4. LFS World is amazing
Just because its a good online experence, doesn't make up for the physics, sound, lack of race feeling, or anything else. as I said, I spent alot of time with LFS. more than most games and it is something I will come back too, it wasn't if i just picked up S2 and had never driven LFS before.
that comment was a general thought on sim racing, not just LFS, I was not saying LFS WAS QUAKE 2 standard, more the community is quake 2 level and perhaps maybe what the community wants isn't aimed much higher than that when it should be.
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