Quote from Bose321 :

Or are you just being an typical American that says everything in Europe sucks?

Are you being a typical european that assumes americans hate Europe?

I'm sorry if this is posted before as I honestly don't know what this would be listed under

But I think it would be helpful if when you change driver profiles(options>driver), that your Function key messages can be different for each driver. I found it kinda annoying when I was driving the safety car...

Quote from PMD9409 :

Check my wording, keyword=basic.

The third car is a Ford, and whether or not they are prototypes or not doesn't matter. There are no stickers (grill and headlights) that are telling you what it is, and you get to see how similar they really are. I know that all bodies are different for aero purposes, but I was refering to looking at it from a "basic" point of view.

The nose of the cars being different is pretty "basic".

Quote from PAracer :

That picture is from the testing phase of the COT. They're prototypes.

Who cares if they're different or not? The manufacturers are essentially sponsors at this point. Perhaps more involved than Cheerios, Budweiser, and National Guard, but whatever. There isn't much 'Ford' about Matt Kenseth's car.

Every team (those that build their own cars) uses a different car. They're not Fords, Chevys, Dodges, and Toyotas. It's Hendrick, Roush, MWR, Petty. From Engines, to chassis's, to bodies. They're all different 'brands' unto themselves. Even the bodies. Nascar gives the teams a bit of room to engineer. In other words, the templates have a tolerance that allows the teams to do their own thing.

Exactly my point. Even the engines are different(in some cases for the same manufacturer) One example is Red Bull Racing and Joe Gibbs, RBR uses TRD motors, and Joe Gibbs build their own motors.

Quote from PMD9409 :

What's the third car in line?

Pretty sure it's a dodge

And those aren't even the CoT's they use..... It's obvious when you look at the grilles.

Quote from hansonator69 :

The COTs ARE practically the same.
Only the hood area is different, but even then they are still relatively the same.

Quote from TagForce :

Uhmmm...

Yes they are, as per the RULE BOOK!

All the cars need to fit the same template, where as the old rules had a different template for each make.

Please read the nascar car shapes thread...I'm done arguing with people who don't know what the hell they are talking about

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=61208

Quote from SidiousX :

Technically, they aren't the same bodies. They just have to fit a template, they do have different bodies, the differences are subtle, but they are there.

TOYOTA
http://www.theautochannel.com/ ... 007/10/16/067440.1-lg.jpg

CHEVY
http://www.jayski.com/schemes/ ... cup/48lowes-COT-front.jpg

DODGE
http://assets.speedtv.com/imag ... scs_kasey_kahne_car_m.jpg

FORD
http://www.mattkenseth.com/pho ... ristol/17Arby'sCOT700.jpg

If you look in the front of the nose, you can definitely see they are very different. They also have different engines(in relation to your question about the decals)

Quote from PMD9409 :

the COTs definately are the same basic body.

No they aren't!!! That's the point we are trying to make!

Quote from lizardfolk :

They are similar in relation to each other, I'm not talking about comparing them to their production versions (neither is Forbin)

I'm not either. The production cars are different, and so are the race cars.

Quote from lizardfolk :

And dont forget V8 SuperCar where the Fords and the Holdens look incredibly similar (save the stickers). The difference between those two are also "laughably tiny compared to other forms of motorsport". :rolleyes: Ignorance is truly bliss

Ehh, not really, they are highly-modified production cars, their dimensions are modified a bit.

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Crazy ass crash

Quote from lizardfolk :

And IndyCar still uses the same Dallara chassis...So what? What's your point?

As does formula mazda, star mazda, spec ford, spec miata.... Just ignore him, just another ignorant person that bashes stock car racing.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Yep, something I've known for a couple years now. He's a little prick that I class below Kyle all day. Watch how aggressive he is during races, he chops other people off hoping they give him the position. If not he wrecks and blames the other driver (Pocono and Nat/Cup at Richmond).

Denny obviously doesn't know what cars do if he thinks Brad drove it in hard. IF Brad drove it in hard then the car would wash up sometime during the turn, instead it stayed right on the bottom until the exit when Denny cut across his nose.

brad stuck his line, denny came down onto him, it's so damn obvious, but he can't get it through his thick head, I regret living in chesterfield now.

http://www.nascar.com/video/bu ... gh.four.nascar/index.html


Hamlin is such a little...ugh. Even if he's from my hometown, still don't like him. Guess teammates tend to be the same person sometimes.

maybe he wanted to start a flame-war, can't a man just post a thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHIGngh198

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbl2zyFFzgg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftaoFnhTyY

Quote from duke_toaster :

And the little rear wing rather than the rear spoiler, and an adjustable front splitter. Supposedly it has reduced the need for having specific types of chassis for different races. In essence it's a more effective aero package but attached to a general body that produces much more drag, supposedly they had to give them over 1,000 more revs at Talladega to run the same speed.

Yep, they run a smaller restrictor plate for the COTs so they run at 8,800 RPMs instead of 7,000 on the old cars.

Quote from chunkyracer :

If you follow endurance racing series, like Le Mans Series, or the American Le Mans Series, you´ll know that the main classes there, are LMP1 and LMP2 (LMP= Le Mans Prototype), and are rather different from the GTR cars we have now on LFS...

Yes I know that, but we already have cars that are good for endurance races, don't need more.

Quote from scania :

could anyone explain it easily?

Could you explain your question a little better? By "old rule", do you mean the old car?

All I know is that Dale SR's death sparked development for a safer car. The seat is positioned more in the middle of the car for safety, there's foam in between the roll cage and the body, the car is bigger (height and width). Smaller gas tank I think(and stronger If I'm correct). The obvious differences are certainly the new spoilers, the bumpers are alligned(and the grille is on the bottom of the front now) and the windshield is more vertical.

Last edited by SidiousX, Thu 24 Sep 2009, 03:21.

Quote from ACCAkut :

that was the DP1 tristan and I meant. That guy offered it to them, but afaik the Devs put him on hold, was about two years ago. Funny thing now that same guy offers are wide varity of cars, he plans a sort of Ariel Atom with a Chevy V8 atm

I swore that when I originally read about that car, that it was run by two hayabusa engines sharing a crankshaft...Guess I'm wrong.

Quote from chunkyracer :

Looking at the current selection of cars in LFS, I would say the best addition would be a "true" endurance racing car. With leagues like MOE and IGTC, being so popular, and with a lot of people watching their broadcasts, having this kind of car, could really improve the quality of racing, and that way use these leagues exposure to serve as a great promotion to LFS.

What's wrong with the GTR cars for endurance racing? We already have GT cars, we don't need more.

Quote from hansonator69 :

NASCAR Restricted engines at full throttle going 200mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-Yl2Yr8xo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhoFUI9xEm4

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Well, we already have Bob's mod don't we?

I honestly believe it will be a stock car. I mean, it will probably be the easiest car that they have ever put into LFS. All they gotta do is use bob's NASCAR mod and add a new body/fix the tires.