Quote from S14 DRIFT :

I hardly slag stuff off, and when/IF I do I'm more than man enough to take it myself. That's called banter, it's called fun.

Ya sure did in the car wars thread.....

Quote from Dajmin :

My only problem with the CTRA system was that it was a major grind for us middle-pack finishers. I was forced to level up on cars I didn't really like and I don't think I ever actually qualified for the second server. I don't mind having to prove I'm not a wrecker, but a bit more of a reward for racing cleanly would've been nice.

The racing on the LR servers is very similar to the CTRA system, but it does seem to have some extra features that reward individual performance as well as that of the group (if what I've been told is true). So you might get loads more points for actually winning, but you're also rewarded for beating your previous bests.

It also didn't help that all the high level liscense guys were constantly on CTRA 1 raping all the people who were there to level up...

The only parts of the driver I ever see is the arms when I'm driving, so I could care less tbh.

damn she's hot

Quote from Arsenic_Fox :

Ok, something I've noticed since i've first played is that there is no proper "pit" area. You can just stop almost wherever and pit.

This is kinda a drag cause sometimes you want a specific spot, or try to find a better spot only to miss out and, well... flail.

So why not a permanent pit? Like when you join you get a pit position based on your position in the race, or based on when you joined or maybe even a "draft" of sorts where each person can choose where they want their pit or if they don't care just a "whatever" option.

Also, why not a dynamic pit? Sorry to say, the racing is immersive, but the pitting is what ruins it for me. there's no urgency. i just sit there as text and numbers tell me whats going on . (i do this face often in real life)

I was playing NR2003 today and was like "Now this is what most games are missing, dynamic pit-crews."

=/ Seriously.... it's a good idea.

I agree, NR2003 has great pit animations(even though the graphics are a little outdated) but who cares, that game's great.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

This can be proved as microsoft have won multiple awards over the years for there controllers comfort, and they have spent alot of time making the controller.

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/ ... 20051201054109686-000.jpg

Trial By Fire BRO!

Quote from Vinnylegends :

Violence doesn't solve problems. It just makes them worse.

shot down!

Quote from logitekg25 :

download gimp (use google search gimp download) it is worth it

EDIT: that is INCREDIBLE!!!

thanks XD

This is really my first serious skin I've made(mspaintFTW!!!) You guys may not like it, or think the quality is not that good, but it pleases me, and that's all that matters All the graphics were handdrawn, because I have no Idea how you guys put graphics from real cars onto skins... Took me like 2 hours total to do this skin, hope ya like it.

I made it for the I-SCAR nascar mod league. Brian Vickers #83 RedBullRacing
Here's what the real car looks like
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FRONT
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BACK
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LEFT
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RIGHT
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I think it was way too harsh, I mean, did they ban Brawn for having a damn spring come off of a car that put a good driver out of contention?

Quote from logitekg25 :

i agree with both of you, but xcnuse has a good point, if there is a big league race, and it has this option, or something like it, some people who really want to race wont be able to...there has to be some happy medium

That's when the Auto-clutch leagues and non auto-clutch leagues begin!

Quote from XCNuse :

Okay then now that that portion is finally solved, lets move on to the next subject, one that.. I'm pretty sure there is no way to solve.


Forcing cockpit has been brought up so I will introduce the problem using this example.
Despite some people having slow computers or what have you, everyone can deal with forced cockpit whether they like it or not, it isn't technically a 'limiting' factor.. (yes some people's FPS will suffer dramatically.. but they can still play the game in the cockpit view..)

Forcing a clutch system.

There is one thing you guys haven't thought of yet.
The business factor, obviously you want to make everyone happy and increase sales.

So what do you do when you put something like this in that factors out real people from playing the game?

I'm talking about handicap people, yes they are around on the game.

Sorry but this is a real problem, you may laugh it off and think it's a joke but this is serious stuff and has to be considered thus i'm bringing it up.

With forcing clutch, you may be limiting some people that don't have H shifters etc. But.. they can still buy them, they are on the market, doesn't mean they can afford them.. but they are there.

What do you do with a handicap person that can't do something? You're basically telling them they can't play because they are handicapped which.. honestly is just wrong.

There was one guy back in the days of RSC that was handicapped and was talking about how he used his paddles as his gas and brake since he couldn't use his legs.

What do you do in such a situation, seeing you can't give a programmed option a single person "excuse"

That's why it would be a serverside option.... Would not hurt LFS' business at all. I mean, if someone is too lazy to hit a damn button then that's their problem, I did it for two years. For the handicapped people, one solution is for the person to use the buttons on the wheel for shift-up/shift-down. And he could use one of the other buttons for the clutch. Or go on a server that allows auto-clutch. No offense, but you can't please everyone.

Quote from XCNuse :

I have a momo racing, but it is entirely uncomfortable to hold a button for a few seconds, and pressing a button 400 times back and forth on the track... will hurt.

It doesn't matter if it's manually operated or not, this thread is about making things "as realistic as possible" using a button for a clutch is hardly realistic by any means to begin with!

It doesn't matter if it's properly designed in LFS or not, that's what we have.. deal with it.

I mean if you're really set on making it right, then buy everyone here that doesn't have a wheel and clutch set a G25 or some ACT Labs parts if they still make it.


Using my clutch pedal and H shifter messes me up driving my real car as it is, using a clutch button.. No.

If you have a MOMO, you don't need the paddles for shifting, like I said before, use the sequential shifter for shifting, and the paddle for clutch...simple as that!

Quote from XCNuse :

And for everyone that uses the paddles like real cars...?

I have to reach from where I'm holding the wheel, and holding it to shift... no, not going to happen 40x around a track.

Button clutch shifting is going the wrong way, this is to make racing in LFS more realistic and fair, not.. painful and confusing for everyone else.

last time I checked, you don't use the clutch with the sequential transmissions in LFS

haha I love that horn, but never really thought about it in LFS.

Quote from XCNuse :

maybe, but doing so would be so unnatural and weird, I'm pretty sure the devs wouldn't do anything like that.

If I get forced to reach and hold a button on my steering wheel while trying to drive, and then press another button to shift, then let go off both buttons, I will never get online again.

Keyword(PADDLE) It is NOT an effort to hit let off the gas, hold paddle, shift, let go of paddle. Even if they choose to use a button, most buttons on wheels are within thumbs reach, if not, bind it to a button that is...

Quote from XCNuse :

Then what do you do with the people that don't have that many buttons?

My other wheel only has 2 pedals, 4 buttons on the face, and two.. not even flappy paddles in the back, just two big buttons.. how would they shift?

Plus.. that's defying the point of everyone arguing for this.

The reason it's being argued for is to make the game more realistic, using a button as a clutch is going in the wrong/opposite direction.

technically, it's going into the right direction, even if the clutch is assigned to a button, they are still using the clutch, I would prefer that than having somebody not use the clutch at all.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Well, you might have to if you are on a slope that causes you to lose speed. But I can't think of one scenario where you'll need to change down whilst accelerating during a race. Wanting to avoid going 'into the red' will make this even more so - shifting down will get you closer to the redline.

I (and everyone that has a wheel with paddles) know that sometimes you accidentally hit the paddle twice, or sometimes the paddle registers twice, This would be useful. +1

Quote from only.one.RydeR :

Maybe he's one of those guys who think the FBM is an F1 car.

I could be most likely wrong

Who doesn't? Look at that monster!

Quote from XCNuse :

Hold on though..

When that no chase or other view thing came in via insim, do you know how many times I got specced for changing my view after the race or before or in the middle or whatever the case? I mean when that stupid thing was brand new it was all the rave and I had to deal with it 4 out of 5 servers, it was totally unnecessary, fortunately people stopped using that stupid thing because people just started getting mad at the server owners because they couldn't play for whatever reason.

Even to this day I don't use in car view just because all I have is a laptop, albeit a 17" laptop but it is still way to small, if I'm going to ever be stuck in that in car view I must have a 24" screen with a graphics card that can handle it with ease.

Forcing a clutch is serious the worst idea ever.

If you are going to force clutch then you're going to have to force H Gate shifter too then right?

I mean for real, if you ever turned that option on you'd get like 5 people racing when you'd be running normally with over 30 just because that many people don't have an extra clutch pedal.

Sure, on a team server where everyone on that team agrees on it and they all have clutches or some dont, but they all agree.. fine, that's okay.

But putting a system like that limiting the general public? Terrible terrible idea.

Or you could do what I did when I used a MOMO and bind the clutch to the left paddle shifter?

Solved, IMPLEMENT IT

Oops don't click that one, stupid bmp

http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1247790033

This was in the comments of a video of one of the blue angles "sneaking" up on the crowd while supersonic. I laughed when I saw it. But that's just me.

http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1247789874

Or seeing his previous Champ car experience, he may also look into Indy racing

Like nobody saw this coming...

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0 ... -bourdais-with-19-year-o/