Sorry but does anyone consider an "a-la-Papy" HC MODE for LFS a ...

danger?

Ne1 wanna be better then other couze HC MODE player.

Papyrus created HC MODE for their Masterpiece: was / is it so ...

"dangerous"?

Quote from afastest :

... This is a game, which we play on our computers the way each one of us prefer ...

God save ... "philosophy"

You can play the way you prefere: with mouse? ... with keyboard? .... out

of the car? ..... into the car? ....from helicopter?

OK! No problem for me ....

Why, instead, I can get no opportunity to play LFS in an Hardcore MODE

"a-la-NR2003"?

It'd be a way added ... not the way to play LFS.

Why not?

Last edited by Vaillant, Mon, 15 May 2006 02:49.

Quote from Woz :

... What you hate is that someone using that setup has more skill and hence is faster than you are with a wheel ...

... please!!!

Quote from Woz :

... ALL that matters is that people race clean and want a serious race, that is the point of a hardcore mode.

That is the point of clean and serious players. All players have to race clean and serious race, but this is'nt enough to be an hardcore player

Quote from MyBoss :

... Here is a pic of my driving view.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1672/altview5qw.jpg

... for you is it a SIM-view?

Quote from Tweaker :

... all I see now is... "Oh, well if this was put into the game, I sure as hell will never play LFS ever again" ...

For sure you dont see all .....
You have to consider that there is a kind of player that already likes to play only in an, how can I say?, "handmade" hardcore_mode. And this player doesn't like play against no-HC players : I'm one of these "handmade" HC simmers.
I'v got LFS1 > S2 ALPHA, but I very rarely play LFS coze I'm just waiting for an HC-mode: so ..... I created this thread.
Maybe the correct title of this thread was "I'd like to play LFS. Give me, please, an HC-Mode"

Last edited by Vaillant, Tue, 2 May 2006 22:03.

Quote from Woz :

Can we drop the forced cockpit fight now (...) If the devs want to force cockpit view they will (...)

It will be welcome!

Quote from Woz :

(...) So what ELSE, apart from forced cockpit, should be part of hardcore mode?

OK ... forced cockpit apart
= Fixed seat
= Forced Wheel-driving (if possible .... Joystick detection!)
= Forced Manual clutch
= Forced TC if real car simulated get it (to avoid hardcore-simmers become too .... harcore)
= Forced ABS if real car simulated get it (to avoid hardcore-simmers become too .... harcore)
= No TC if no present in real car simulated
= No ABS if no present in real car simulated
= No steering help
......

Quote from MyBoss :

... Do you think those running with cockpit view are better drivers? ...

Nope of course!
They are only Hard_Core_Simmers not The_Best_Simmers
Sorry but, what do you think about Papyrus choice to insert in a masterpiece like NR2003 the HARDCORE MODE (Forced Cockpit View) in hosting/joining a game?

Last edited by Vaillant, Tue, 2 May 2006 20:00.

In my first post I said

Quote from Vaillant :

... opportunity to choose an hardcore mode when we host a game...

Never said mandatory .... to choose that server!!!!!

Quote from tristancliffe :

Actually I think Scawen has said, perhaps unofficially, that a more hardcore mode will one day be strongly considered. But it'll be optional ...

What I dream .......

Quote from MyBoss :

ooh, dang I'm glad you don't have any influence on the Developers ...

.. they are all right without my influence

Last edited by Vaillant, Mon, 1 May 2006 22:24.

Quote from RacingSimFan :

But there's no performance advantage to driving in one of the other views .....

What? ... are you sure?

The more "way" you can see the more advantage you have.
Driving in cockpit view you can see less "way" in front of you then all the other views

Quote from Sawyer :

The most realistic view is that you just see the track nothing more. We should maybe force that ...

Good Idea !!! .... .... maybe when LFS will be a Kart Simulator

Quote from molocco :

... would you consider forcing tc off , also?

If a car uses in real life ABS and TC, in HCM (hardcore mode) YOU HAVE TO use ABS and TC .... simple.

If you know FTL http://www.findthelimit.com you can understand what I'd like to be LFS RANK

Quote from spyshagg :

... In my real car i dont have to guess anything, i see it all from the inside ...

Maybe a " caterpillar " driver can see all from the inside but in a car ( expecially in a car like, for example, a GTR ) you don't see " all " in front of you.
Look at this ... with zoom
http://www.fotosearch.it/DGV031/1419010/

Last edited by Vaillant, Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:08.

Quote from spyshagg :

move y x z bars in custom view

... and you'll find "The Easy Way"

Quote from dylan :

..... The car will react exactly in the same mode, so if anyone want to drive an an unrealistic position it's up to them, they will "loose" a bit of their sim experience, but for sure doesn't damage the others sim experience, wich is what matter to my eyes

Yep! Infact, if I drive my car with closed eyes or with opened eyes, my car will react in the same mode but .......

Its a paradox, but explains what I mean: there are for sure "visuals" improving performances (... does ne1 remember F10 in GPL?) and there are effective racing aids: driving with automatic clutch is "a little" more effective then driving with "realistic" manual clutch.
I'd like only a "way" so that anybody knows if you play with/without aids and which "visual" you play with
I like transparence ... ... and you?

Last edited by Vaillant, Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:23.

I dont want Crew change LFS in an "Hardcore_Mode_Sim" illepall
I'd like LFS Crew give us the possibility (like NR2003 for example) to host a game or launch an HotLap game, in Hardcore Mode .... if we want to.
Wanna play in Hardcore mode? OK ... you can!
Wanna play the game you prefere (external view, wheels view, with mouse, with Keyboard ...etc etc...)? Ok ... you can!
Nothing more ....
Of course "optymum" could be to get a Rank with specified if your game or lap been played in HC-MODE ( like Find the limit, for example).
Now we can see if an Hot Lap had been played with wheel or mouse or Keyboard.
Is it so bad we can see if a game have been played in Hardcore Mode or in other way?
A choice not an obligation!!

I dont understand this "visual" in a race-sim ( see ... Too Easy.gif )
It's so .... unrealistic!!!
Please give us the opportunity to choose an hardcore mode when we host a game, so to have locked in-car view and no driving aids

It will be a great think too, if rank "understands" if your lap have been played in hardcore mode

I'd like to know if possible, in future, getting opportunity to "turn off" during a game only the chat of one player in game and not the messages of all players like now.