Quote from Eldanor :

True, I put physics accuracy over visuals, but that not means they aren't important.

well ok but there's even a lot more important graphics stuff that needs improvement, apart from the physics stuff and the sound stuff and the .. oh well... sorry, it's just that when I first read the thread I was like '....... eh? we're in alpha stage of one of the best sims that's made by independent developers and he complains about the air vents on one of the cars...?'. just sounded.... odd....

(btw i don't think the devs 'forgot' to do them, neither do i think they don't know what cars look like )

I may be wrong but I think when the tyres get dirty, it doesn't simulate which part of the tyre actually touched the dirt, but rather it makes the "whole tyre" dirty - d'uh hard to explain.

I mean, if only the outside of a tyre touches the dirt, only that part should have less grip - much like tyre heat and wear is done - so it should at least be split up into 'outer, middle, inner', maybe even on 48 different points around the tyre, like for heat and wear....

does anybody know what i'm talking about?

what he said -^
also, seeing as the devs worked quite closely with the guys who developed and built the MRT and the Raceabout, I think they have pretty good information on how the car should behave, what to improve, etc...

imho this is the least needed improvement for LFS at the moment illepall

thanks! ordered

sounds interesting!
i browsed the web and found quite a few shops that sell tv magnifiers (tv lupen) in germany etc. but I wonder if those work the same?
here's an example:
http://www.lupenshop.de/conten ... ct/Variation/1710&2D1

edit: the page says product can't be found but if you click OK you'll see it

will that give me the same effect you're talking about (more depth, etc.)?

(I'm not a friend of mathematics so i skipped reading a couple of posts, sorry if this has been mentioned before)

ZD

Last edited by ZeroDexter, Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:34.

Quote from bbman :

Don't you think, they'd come to Vienna Auto Show at the Messegelände next year?

oh, there's an auto show in vienna? maybe i should go outside a little more often

very nice show! grats to all involved
as i'm from vienna, i just HAVE TO be there when you show it here... any ideas on where and when this might be? the donauzentrum (large shopping centre) might be a good place as they always have some kind of presentation or show running..

anyway, I would love to help in everyway I can if you plan to come to vienna - just drop me a PM or mail at [email protected] :woohoo:

i'm way too aggressive. just tried getting a perfect lap together but in almost every lap I got one of the corners wrong.. after about 30 tries now I'm so angry I'm about to cause real damage to something in my room :mad:

thanks for the kind responses but although studying WRs and trying dozens of sets is probably the way to go, it's just not something I have the patience for. and I'm not really learning anything from it, they're just 20kph faster everywhere but i dunno why.
my driving isnt much different from that of the current WR on AS3 so I guess I'll just throw away my set and do a trillion laps with a WR set, feeling like someone else did my homework...

thanks fonnybone, your post seems to have surfaced my real problem (or i'm just seeing dead people again )

I think what's really bugging me is that I don't really know how deep I want to go with lfs. If I may exaggerate a bit, there's two choices:
1) be the casual fun racer. take fzr, take a wr setup, copy the driving style of the faster guys and smoke everyone in public 5 lap races
2) be the hardcore simmer. take xrr, make your own setup, drive in endurance races and practice 4 hours a day while studying car mechanics to drop another 0.01 seconds every two weeks.

so if I drive an xrr in public 5 lap races on weekends only and use my own setup despite not really having any idea what all the settings do, I'm obviously doing something wrong :doh:

I'll dig myself a big hole now and won't come out until I know what I want and who I am anyway... illepall:

I tried a few wr setups and although I mostly struggled to keep the car under control I did the same lap times I usually do with my own setup...
so to me that sounds like my driving needs improvement and it has nothing to do with the setup

i'm not skidding very much, I just used that as an example.. I think my setup is more understeering than the opposite. I just hotlapped (which i rarely do) with a full tank and did 20 laps but then i had to stop because my back was killing me (office chairs with wheels are NO good for playing lfs). I could have done another 5-10 laps before I would have had to change the front tires (R3). R2s on rear wheels were doing fine. apart from one major mistake in lap 5 which sent me into the grass a little I didnt do too many mistakes, starting with low 1:47.xx laps, and then staying in the 1:46s. best was a 1:45.86.

so... is doing laptimes with around 1 second difference constistent? should I stick to whatever setup i'm using now and just do another... 500 laps or whatever?

btw that pb on as nat was months ago... after a pause of a few weeks from lfs it has now taken me about two weeks to only get near it again and I'm far from braking it...

ah well... maybe driving xrr in 5 lap races just isnt a good combination pushing the car to its limits, doing low 1:45.xx and then seeing an fzr on a public server do mid 1:42.xx doesn't exactly help with being confident in your skills

Quote from Hyperactive :

A good setup is always a good thing, but it must suit your driving style (oversteer/understeer etc.)

thats what i mean. lets say you always spin your tires and oversteer when accelerating out of a corner - would you make the setup more forgiving and thus slower or would you keep it as-is and work on your throttle skills?

since a car can't learn but a human can, wouldnt it be theoretically better to use a 'perfect' but almost undrivable setup and learn to handle it?

of course it'll be very frustrating in the beginning but in the long run it should yield better results, no?

sounds reasonable, but then again, what if my driving is just consistently slow?

quite a basic question... if you just can't get any faster, how do you know whether you need to change the setup or change your driving style?

thanks!

hi,
I'm quite a noob at all the setup stuff so please bear with me...

reducing ride height obviously increases negative live camber so i sometimes have to use positive static camber to compensate. now i was just wondering whether that may have any drawbacks and if there's a better way to compensate for it?

thanks in advance