1. TVR Cerbera
2. Ferrari Testarossa
3. Ford Mustang Fastback GT390 '68
4. BMW E30 M3 Evo III (Sport Evolution)
5. Mk1 Ford Escort Mexico
The top two cars are cars I remember as a kid, I had a toy Testarossa and I remember seeing a few Cerbera's and seeing them on TV. Me and my friend still have an agreement, if one of us becomes rich we have to buy each other matching TVR Cerbera's.
1. Mini Clubman (70's)
2. Renault 19 (1992 facelift)
3. Renault Laguna (1998 facelift, BTCC car was awesome too )
4. Porsche 911 (1965)
5. Porsche 914 (70's)
(some of) Today's cars aren't as awesome as these on my list.
a) R8 is a namby car with chavy LED lights
b) R8 is physically way too large.
c) R8 doesn't have the Kudos of a 911, even if it may technically be a better car, which is debateable - which one comes out best in tests very much depends on the particular 911 model, (R8 can't match any of the GT models), and who exactly is driving them,.
R8 has perfect weight distribution compared to the 911, it's 4WD. It has a bigger engine. It's more powerful. It looks better. I don't care that 13year old chavs have this poster up on their wall of an R8, I liked Audi's before the R8 and the R8 is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
I thought it was a good looking car BEFORE they had it on TOP GEAR, seems that everyone likes to agree with Jeremy Clarkson for fear of being uncool. The R8 is a better looking car though still. My girlfriend likes the R8 as much as I do, so we both understand!
a) No such thing as perfect weight distribution.
b) 4WD isn't always better.
c) Bigger engine isn't always better.
d) errr.. it is? compared to which 911?? (anyway it needs it, its 4WD - twice the transmission losses).
e) Neither do I actually. But I care if a car has LED lights, I think they look naff, (and the interior is horribly laid out and garrish with too much aluminium all over the place).
d) I like Audis too, and agreed the R8 is a lovely looking car from the outside otherwise.
In a shoot out on a track, (with decent drivers - ie ignore any Top Gear tests!), it's a close call between an R8 and even a 911 Carrera 4S. All the GT models wipe the floor with the R8 on a track.
But anyway all that's moot, I just prefer the look of the 911. Plus it's got heritage, it's a 100% reliable car even for daily transport, better fuel economy, smaller so easier to find parking, and it's at least got some lugage space. How both cars behave at the limit is irrelevant to me as I'd never be driving either anywhere near it.
The Audi R8 isn't a lightened sports car. The GT3 RS is.
When your car looks THAT good outside who gives a crap about inside? Interiors on cars don't bother me at all, I really don't care if it's made from plastic or wood. The R8 is simply sex on wheels. Nothing looks better on the road. From the front, the back, the side. It's of course all down to opinion, but if people are going to change their opinion of a car because of LED lights that look 'chavvy' or what ever else then maybe they need a new perspective on life and stop letting other peoples opinions crush their own. Of course Porsche technically own Audi anyway, so this debate is like trying to argue which is better, the S60 or the Mondeo.
You say the 911 has heritidge, well, Auto Union is older than Porsche, Ferdinand Porsche used to work FOR Auto Union in the pre-war Formula 1 days. They used to kick the ass of Mercedes as Porsche stopped working for the Mercedes race team to work for Auto Union iirc.
In my opinion the only thing that makes the R8 stand out is the headlights, the rest looks average. I've seen it a few times in person and it is one of those cars that can look good in pictures, but turns out to look horrible in the flesh. The opposite is true of the Alfa, pictures don't do the car justice and there is not one ugly feature on the car, the only ugly thing I saw on it was my own reflection.
If we talk about performance then the Audi R8 would win hands down, but only because it's a Lamborghini Gallardo in an ugly dress.
I actually think the R8 looks better in the flesh. But it is a big car, the pictures don't give a true indication of it's size, especially next to a 911.
Blue,
I don't disagree that it's a great car, hell it should be for £70k !! but I actually feel the opposite to you about interiors. Intereriors are where you spend your time. To be honest if I had a choice between two identically performing cars and one looked like a turkey on the outside but had a beautiful interior and the other was a work of art on the outside but 80's Renault on the inside I would take the former every day. An extreme example I know but I don't spend my time in a car looking at it's reflection in shop windows thinking how good it looks, (not saying that you do either!). I want the interior to look good and have a feel of quality.
Though to be honest for the price of an R8 I expect both and unfortunately I'm no fan of the current trend of using Aluminium inside cars. Aluminium has always had a cheap look/feel to me and I just can't persuade myself to feel any different about it.
I know full well that the 911 isn't a perfect car, but I'm also well aware that it's a better car than I could ever be driver and I just love the look from the outside and especially the interiors, (in the post 2000 cars anyway, the older car have cheap looking instrument panels).
Ps when I say the 911 has heritage, I mean the 911 itself, not Porsche the marque.
Well we agree on alot of things here, the fact that the R8 looks better in the flesh, the fact that 80's French car interiors are REALLY bad and 70k for a 'supercar' isn't that bad at all in my eyes but there is one thing I must voice.
The Porsche marque is based around the 911, almost every model they've ever made for the road is a 911 like the 959 as perfect example. It's a 959 but it's still a 911, the only road cars not specifically based on the 911 are possibly the 924, 926, 928 944 and 914. Obviously you have the 356 aswell, but since this was made before the 911, you can't really include it, eventhough it's platform is very similar to that of the earliest of the 911 bread, the 901 which the name was changed because Peugeot started whining that they had the rights to car names/numbers of three digits with a zero in the middle.
So in this case, Porsche is synonymous with 911 and when you mention either 911 or Porsche one or other gets mentioned (and I don't mean in the obvious sense)
1. Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 2WD.
2. Ford Sierra RS500
3. Ford Mondeo ST220/ST200
4. Ford Escort Mk2 (BDA)
5. Ford Escort Cosworth (Small Turbo lux)
6. Ford Escort RS Turbo S1
7. Ford Escort RS Turbo S2 90-spec
8. Ford Escort Mk5 RS2000
9. Ford Capri Brooklands 280
10. Ford Fiesta RS Turbo
11. Ford Fiesta XR2 Mk2
12. Ford Orion Turbo Technics