What I meant is that I honestly dont know what MS is on when versioning their products, Visual Studio .NET is Visual Studio 8.0 and has nothing to do with its predecessor, so what gives...
To get windows to the level they wanted vista to go to but failed.
They are trying to make it better than vista should've been now.
They are trying to make it better than vista should've been now.
How the hell do you have a torrent when it's not even officially out?
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lol :d
It was released to MSDN (or whatever it's called) subscribers a couple of days ago, and since then there are have been millions of torrents, but most are zero-btye files pretending to be the full thing.
who said I have a torrent?
Just have the right informations 
Out of interest, does it run LFS ok?
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Public Beta Released: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx
Good luck getting it at the moment though, the server is majorly overloaded!
Good luck getting it at the moment though, the server is majorly overloaded!
th84 touches himself when lookign at the screen.....
Oh, wait, that's something entirely different
I was first introduced to computers other than some simple classroom stuff in college when I started my current job. That was with Windows 3.1.
Win95 was coming and everyone complained how horrible it was. Then everyone had Win95 and it was great.
Win98 came out, and everyone using Win95 for the past x years complained about how horrible it was. Then everyone moved to Win98 and it was great.
WinXP came out, and everyone using Win98 complained about how horrible XP was. Then everyone moved to WinXP and it was great.
Recently, Vista came out, and everyone using WinXP complained about how horrible Vista is. Now look at how many folks moved to Vista and think it's great.
Now Windows 7 or whatever it is, is coming, and look at you all complaining about how horrible it is going to be. I predict eventually, everyone be using Windows 7 and saying how great it is....
for me it was win 3.11
There is lot of truth in what you wrote
but lets not forget that it was usually only like this:
when at least the first service pack was out.
But I'm not complaining as installing all that stuff
for customers still gives alot of money
Oh and you forgot WinME in your list
but that was never great
maybe because there was never a SP for it iirc
I avoided XP until SP2 when it got good. Win2K was a cleaner system IMHO.
btw how many of those that like Vista use it in a network environment where it just sucks balls.
Even this long after release a fully patched Vista just locks up reading large shares etc. Basic fundamental operations fail, not good. Then you have the UAC
Disable it an some apps don't work leave it enabled and its nag ware central. They have changed UAC in Win7 and that breaks some apps again.I have Vista on my games partition because getting some drivers I need for XP has proved a hassle but apart from that I have dumped Windows. That is how much I detest the OS, and I gave it a good chance and used for many months
Ubuntu is far nicer!
Given enough time, everyone who wants or needs to use Windows will need to upgrade because they changed the driver model and eventually the new hardware will be unsupported under older versions.
I've never heard anybody say Windows is great unless I was talking to a MS fanboy. Most people use it because it's standard.
These days there are a lot more overpriced shiny PCs with a fruit on it and penguin-powered stuff around that I would have expected only a few years ago, when non-technical people used to say, 'what? there's something else beyond windows?'
I used to work as a software-tester for 3d apps and working with Vista was horrible. Severe performance-issues and many difficult to reproduce Vista-only bugs made it more of a hassle than an OS. We were allowed to choose the systems we tested on freely. As a result people came to work early so they could make sure they got one of the Xp machines before they were all occupied. That says a lot about Vista.
However I find the latest news about 7 rather interesting. If it really provides decent performance while improving usability it's right where it should be. Due to the large userbase windows should always be about evolution and not revolution.
However I'm unhappy about the fact that it's unlikely that the free Vista license I got from my university will ever be used.
Vain
However I find the latest news about 7 rather interesting. If it really provides decent performance while improving usability it's right where it should be. Due to the large userbase windows should always be about evolution and not revolution.
However I'm unhappy about the fact that it's unlikely that the free Vista license I got from my university will ever be used.
Vain
I think M$ took windows 7 beta off already 
I am an advocate for using the OS that suits your needs, if you want security and customisation, use *nix. If you want to relatively user-friendly experience to do everything else, use Windows. If you want to be a unique snowflake, use Macintosh.
The only reason for the current change to a Mac based system is the success of the iPod as people brought into the anti-corporation propaganda spread by Apple fanboys.
more importantly he forgot 2k which was great out of the box
im thinking this was really just a cleverly disguised ddos test for the ms servers... obviously they failed miserably
But it isn't user friendly. Not in the slightest. In the later Windows versions everything is so overly complicated as to be almost completely useless. I frequently get lost trying to tweak my network settings or simply trying to get explorer to remember my preferred view settings in Vista. And I've been using Windows since 3.11. For a computer newbie it must be complete hell.
The only thing Windows has going for it as a desktop OS at this point is market share and as a result hardware and software support.
The tone of your reply suggests that I might have sounded like a penguin fanboy where in fact, I'm not. I've used several alternative OSes in the past and I still run a Linux box, but as a matter fact, I quite agree on the bit about using what fits the purpose best.
I wouldn't say Windows is particularly user-friendly though, it's so widespread that people tend to learn how to do their stuff anyway.
I've always found WinNT and Win9X to be an easy to live with OS, some things are hidden away, but they are usually features you don't want a numpty playing with.
Market share does help MS as a lot of gear is made for it, but Apple do not help themselves as they are very secretive about everything (Updates rarely tell you what they contain, just you need them) and to try and keep the amount of native drivers to a minimum hardware support is virtually zero.
None of this will ever help Apple really branch out into the wider market, but at the same time that is one of the reasons people spout as to why one should switch "use a Mac, I've never had a virus on mine" but that is purely because no one uses them.
Market share does help MS as a lot of gear is made for it, but Apple do not help themselves as they are very secretive about everything (Updates rarely tell you what they contain, just you need them) and to try and keep the amount of native drivers to a minimum hardware support is virtually zero.
None of this will ever help Apple really branch out into the wider market, but at the same time that is one of the reasons people spout as to why one should switch "use a Mac, I've never had a virus on mine" but that is purely because no one uses them.
well its not like there are any real alternatives is it?
it took me a few minutes of googling and serveral more of installing some obscure tool and tweaking txt files just to get gnome to open firefox on the right edge of my screen... with the added benefit that the download window also gets pulled just as large as the browser when it opens up
and if theres a person who can get an obscure wlan card to work in linux in less than 6 months id like to see proof
I can't remember ever arguing any of those would be easy? Furthermore, why would you expect "obscure wlan cards" to be easy to get to work? Getting Windows to run on an ARM processor is also a real hassle, so it's probably easier to just go for the x86 processor (or an Intel wlan card.)
For me, having put a bit of effort into figuring it all out, Linux is not only a real alternative, but a bloody dream to set up and use compared to Windows. It's obviously not an alternative for you, but I think I can live with that.
you made it sound like there was an alternative of some sort
as far as oses go windows is easily the most userfriendly of the affordable ones (ie anything that requires sparcs sgis pcs with efi or any other sort of exotic and expensive hardware doesnt count)
because even the most random hardware always comes with a useable windows driver
of course the linux problem is also very much the hardware vendors fault but insisting on getting low level specs for every piece of hardware doesnt help either
thats hardly a fair comparison
the bit of effort is the thing... linux is a hobby not an os
and coming from a dos background the folder structure will never make sense no matter how long i try to get used to it
just like the c64 has given me that constant urge to put gotos into my cpp code
If your definition of userfriendly is "works with any piece of random hardware I plug into it", then yes. I guess it is. That's hardly what I was arguing though.
I was talking about general desktop use. You know, moving files about, email, IM, browsing, multimedia. For that job Linux provides me with the far superior experience. I may not be able to plug the latest and greatest graphics card into it on release day, which is why I keep a Windows box as well since I like that kind of stuff, but I don't care even a little bit. The Intel integrated chip in my laptop is good enough, and works out of the box. You see, that's why I bought that instead of buying some Nvidia job and then proceeding to complain when it didn't quite work with the proprietary POS drivers they supply.
That wasn't my intention either. I meant to point out that complaining because unsupported hardware doesn't work is rather pointless. It's not supposed to work, so it's probably easier to just get something that does. If you actually care about getting a working Linux desktop and aren't just whinging that is.
But that bit is tiny. I installed my first distro 4 and a bit years ago, but didn't really start using it properly until a couple of years ago. Still I feel like I understand the system much better than I do Windows which I've been using since my very first computer back in '94. The amount of effort I've put into learning Linux is completely dwarfed by the effort I've put into Windows over the years, and still I feel more at home in Linux.
My sister had vsita I actualy got money braclk form microsoft to get the latest version of XP becaus on her laptop i gave realy weird errors.
I had to fix op things and have coountles loosk at it so i decided vista was crap becaus it was ven crap a brandnew laptop and i wil probably skip 7 to.
Becaus TBH windows XP is in my onpinion the best OS(microsoft OS) to dat stil hope they work on improving that even more.
But that wil never happend(moans allot)
So il just stick to apple for my graphic stuff
I had to fix op things and have coountles loosk at it so i decided vista was crap becaus it was ven crap a brandnew laptop and i wil probably skip 7 to
.Becaus TBH windows XP is in my onpinion the best OS(microsoft OS) to dat stil hope they work on improving that even more.
But that wil never happend(moans allot)
So il just stick to apple for my graphic stuff
I've stopped using Windows alltogether. I now use Ubuntu. So much better then windows XP. With XP, it seems as though my computer would get cluttered with startup items and such and it would get slower and slower. Well, I actually streamlined the CD so that the isntallation would be standalone last time I installed windows. But, now I've migrated to linux completely. Only problem is that when I go to school, I end up typing in "/home/<username>/" in windows explorer, and then it takes me a few seconds to realize I'm using windows.
Wait... what is the point in Windows 7?
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