I like you Lerts, without you i'd be the most messed up person on this forum.

*hugs*

Quote from tristancliffe :

These days people get in a huff if you call someone a paki, even if they come from Pakistan. But they are quite happy to call someone a brit if they come from Britain. Why the double standard? Yet people on both sides of the argument will say to use/not be allowed to use is a violation of human rights and freedom of speech... It's just insane.

As far as I know the word Brit has no history of being used in a derogatory way, whereas the word Paki most certainly does.

It makes me sad coming back here, from a casual observer stand point this forum has just got worse and worse over the years.
Ive stopped being surprised by it, accepting that its just human nature.
The bigger the group, the worse it gets.
It just reminds me what I hate about life and people.

What am I doing here then? Looking for the VW of course!
Also, Im a non-active LFS fanboy, I cant help but look in here to see what has become of my beloved LFS. Whilst the sim is still great, these forums are not a nice place to be. Like most of the internet.
I have *no idea* how the devs put up with the stuff that gets posted in the test patch forum. So_many_idiots.

Quote from mantis9 :

As far as I know the word Brit has no history of being used in a derogatory way, whereas the word Paki most certainly does.

So what needs doing is bringing the word out of the 'ohnoes it a bad word' category and into mainstream usage.

It is just an abbreviation.

Afghans come from Afghanistan.
Kurds come from Kurdistan.
Pakis come from Pakistan.

Exactly Bean0.

But no. Because it was used derogatorily in the past in cannot be used in the present.

What about Fudge Packer. If someones job is packing fudge (probably for Nestlé), how can we describe him without using homophobic terms? Or is it okay if it's actually describing a packer of fudge? In which case why isn't paki allowed to describe someone who is from paki in a non-derogatory way?

So Brits come from Britistan?

Essentially, yes.

but the yanks come from the US.

Pff. They just have to break the pattern.

Quote from Bean0 :

So what needs doing is bringing the word out of the 'ohnoes it a bad word' category and into mainstream usage.

It is just an abbreviation.

Afghans come from Afghanistan.
Kurds come from Kurdistan.
Pakis come from Pakistan.

Well its pretty difficult undoing years of abuse, I dont think we are ready for it. Most of the younger generation probably is, but the older generation most certainly is not. There is also the small percentage that will adopt their parents attitudes and perpetuate the hate.

There is also the issue of context, in certain circumstances it might be fine to use words unacceptable to the general public. Like if your friend who just happens to be black asks you to call him sooty, why wouldnt you?
For me its no problem, I dont see it as censorship to not use those unacceptable words. Why deliberately offend people just for the sake of one word? I prefer to keep the peace.

Have we gone slightly off topic? Does anyone care?

Quote from tristancliffe :

Exactly Bean0.

But no. Because it was used derogatorily in the past in cannot be used in the present.

What about Fudge Packer. If someones job is packing fudge (probably for Nestlé), how can we describe him without using homophobic terms? Or is it okay if it's actually describing a packer of fudge? In which case why isn't paki allowed to describe someone who is from paki in a non-derogatory way?

Context. The words around it determine its meaning.

For example, I'm sure there are many people who use the word 'Jock' when referring to the Scottish, but personally I hate that term due to the derogatory connotations that it’s used with (normally with the word ‘sweaty’ in front of it). I’ve personally come to blows over it. So although the word on it’s on seems fine… the way it’s used for too long has made it a one of those (rightly or wrongly) taboo words.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Exactly Bean0.

But no. Because it was used derogatorily in the past in cannot be used in the present.

What about Fudge Packer. If someones job is packing fudge (probably for Nestlé), how can we describe him without using homophobic terms? Or is it okay if it's actually describing a packer of fudge? In which case why isn't paki allowed to describe someone who is from paki in a non-derogatory way?

Confectionery packer? The dave police (thats me by the way) says that this is another context issue. How is it being said? Does the person in question actually pack fudge for a living? Are the homosexual? Are they thin skinned?

Its very difficult to use the word paki without it sounding or being taken in a derogatory way, just call them Pakistanis and save the hassle. Go on, add those extra sylables, you need the exercise

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :

Context. The words around it determine its meaning.

I agree.

Now let's get back on the subject of having more of them shitty mods around to help the damned devs and leave derogatory abbreviations be.

Quote from mantis9 :

Confectionery packer? The dave police (thats me by the way) says that this is another context issue. How is it being said? Does the person in question actually pack fudge for a living? Are the homosexual? Are they thin skinned?

What about a homosexual who actually packs fudge for a living?

Quote from obsolum :

What about a homosexual who actually packs fudge for a living?

You meen a porn star?

Quote from Becky Rose :

You meen a porn star?

Hah! Now that's a good one.

I wonder if there's a reason why the thread about getting new moderators has slowly evolved into discussing the specifics about labeling homosexual men within the limited context of an uncommon occupation.

Personally i've never found labels that much use for insulting people, i'm far more creative.

I'll happily label myself a lesbian when i'm on the pull but that's only because it's free advertising.

Otherwise I don't see much point to using labels. I'll ocassionally use a label but never mallisciously. When I want to be malliscious i'd rather get personal and really tear a person to pieces then fall back on unimaginative insults based on racial stereotypes.

Quote from Becky Rose :

When I want to be malliscious i'd rather get personal and really tear a person to pieces then fall back on unimaginative insults based on racial stereotypes.

I neither get personal nor fall back on insults based on stereotypes. I go primary school on their asses.

So stick that up your jumper you stupid bum face!

Quote from thisnameistaken :

So stick that up your jumper you stupid bum face!

Zing?

"do do do do do do do" ....

i think the current mods should be given super uber meter sticks to beat noobs/spams/trolls/lerts into stopping there non-sence posts...


would bring their productivity up ten-fold

I actually do think that this thread has served it's purpose and should be locked.

Not that I don't like the discussion, but a) it's quite OT now, and b) I somehow suspect that this is going to end in tears.

P.S.: The word "brit" isn't degratory because we call you "Tommies". Quite lovingly actually. Or "Inselaffen".

Quote from ColeusRattus :

P.S.: The word "brit" isn't degratory because we call you "Tommies". Quite lovingly actually. Or "Inselaffen".

We call you Australians, because they don't teach us anything these days.

Quote from xaotik :

I wonder if there's a reason why the thread about getting new moderators has slowly evolved into discussing the specifics about labeling homosexual men within the limited context of an uncommon occupation.

lerts posted... hes a source of weird

I vote Lerts for Moderator

Just no.

Solution, Me, Tristan, Lerts, G1hno and Zeug as admin, well that would make up a nice little group.