no i couldn't because i don't think i'm beeing shamed here. you might, i don't. but the thing that most annoyed me was actually your comment about loads of sexist abuse. dig that replay and let other have a look, by all means. and regarding your actual blue flag situation, in a race it might be courtesy to respect blue flag, but you were testing a new set and was considerably slower, even if you've managed 2nd place the previous race. i wonder what would have been your reaction if during one of your "real world" races there was slower car ahead of you testing a new set? enough said.
But if that happens to a race leader, then it's tough shit imo. That's part of racing. The car being lapped (assuming it's not a mid-race join or someone spinning everywhere that shouldn't be trying out multiplayer yet) is under no obligation to dive out the way - it's up the leaders to make the pass maneouvre and the lapped car to not defend against them.
I've been in both situations and yes, it's hugely frustrating to be held up by a slower car when you've got the leading pack right on your tail, but that's part of racing and imo doesn't justify spamming "BLUE FLAG!" with an F-key until it becomes obvious the lapped car is deliberately defending against you. And it's nowhere near as frustrating as being the lapped car when a leader comes round that just about expects you to slam it into the armco to leave the track clear for him and his ego. Anyone that laps me while spamming blue flag messages can expect the least co-operation I can get away with providing.
When I'm being lapped, for whatever reason, I make sure that the more persistant someone is (spamming BLUE FLAG from a mile away or hooting constantly) the harder it is for them to lap me. If you're polite, let the LFS Blue flag message to it's thing, keep quiet, be patient then you'll fly by without losing a tenth. Simple. Of course it's not like real life racing, because no one slows down for anything in LFS, so applying real life rules doesn't always make sense.
From what I've read (and I've no idea how much of it is true) I'd have made life quite hard for you Avih, bordering on being a son of a female canine.
@avih, you named and shamed me after the race for ignoring the blue flag.
I did not ignore the blue flag at all.
You continue to imply that you where held up deliberately.
You where not. You may have lost a fraction, but you received an excessively courteous maneouvre when I drove onto the grass to make extra room for you.
I actually tried to log back online after watching the replay but the server was full, I actually expected i'd get an appology. Instead I get a box full of blame and accusation here ASWELL!
I've already had this once with you, and you where totally in the wrong then. Now you're at it again?
becky, i wasn't even insinuating you did that deliberately, as i believe that's absolutely not the case. i do appreciate the "last minute" manouver that you took, however, had u slowed down 2s earlier, it wouldn't have been neccessary for u to hit the grass. i could have passed u at the bridge and u could have continued to test your set driving 1-2s behind me. it WAS immenant that i'd catch you due to our speed differences, so why did you have to let it happen in the last second? we both lost more time than we could have if u would have let me pass few secs earlier. and my repetative "shouts" (don't remember more than one but i'll take your word on it), were probably due to the fact that i saw u weren't slowing down and decided to get into that (long and tight) section ahead of me.
with your experience, i honestly expected you to let me pass on the bridge, rather than in that long left where we'll both have to slow down considerably, even if only out of courtesy from someone who knows she's slower, testing a set, not actually racing and know that the leading cars are right behind her.
but you don't force courtesy, either you have it or you don't. perhaps i overestimated your experience.
I will admit on this part, that she did have a knack of letting a leader pass on the worst possible places. Such as Blackwood on the GT, she was taking deep inside straight, that literally blocked my view of where the corner was, and forced onto the gravel. She does have a bit to learn on where to slow down when being lapped.
But on the other hand, this is a question for a newbie, not you two debate who touched ones buttock in the race. I would suggest you both do this via PM, because both of you do have attitude problems, with a touch of paranoia, when things go wrong with you involved.
I was in the same session as both Avih and Becky Rose last night and do recall that avih although quick was not as quick as a coupla other drivers 1 or 2 of whom were well inside 1:16 at FE Gold in a Fox. However he was the only one I noticed who had a blue flag keybind.
I am one of those slower racers, I don't have the time or to be quite honest the inclination to spend hours and hours tweaking setups worrying about 0.1 percentage fuel loads and whether or not my line into a corner is 1m left or right of where it should have been for the perfect lap. However on occasion I like to have a game online, and why not? I've paid for my license just like everyone else. I can appreciate it's frustrating for you to be much faster than me, I do watch my mirrors [except for one occasion when I rejoined right in front of Becky and got tagged which I apologise for] I will get out of another's way if they're obviously much quicker than me. That said the racers who have a "get out my way noob" attitude with their horns and blue flag messages [note I'm not getting at anyone in particular here but just bashing that mentality] annoy and frustrate me, and tbh there are some servers and some combos I won't race on because I know I'm gonna spend all my time watching my mirrors and worrying about people coming up behind me. That makes me more likely to crash and even if I don't then it stops me having the fun that I clicked "multiplayer" to have.
My point is everyone online has a license :- it's cost them money to be there and they have just as much right to play as anyone else. If they're slower than you deal with it or start paying for a server yourself and only let fast people on it.
agreed.
"attitude problem with a touch of paranoia"? hehe, that's not for me to judge probably, but it still sounds bad enough
anyway becky, i actually forgot about this issue without holding anything against you, untill i saw your remark about the sexism which kinda pissed my off badly. regardless, i'm still not holding anything against you, as i considered it to be an intelligent discussion. you're more than welcome to PM/IM me if you wanna talk it over.
You just couldn't resist that last slap could you ?
I repeat, the Blue Flag message came up prior to the bend at the end of the back strait, not the start of it, and certainly not midway down the start strait when you sent your first warning message.
I would have thought a driver of your experience knows that us megre mortals are not psychic .
I remember that accident, and that's exactly what it was. It goes back a while now to when I was still fairly new and I hadn't driven the GT cars online before. I'd crashed it and was limping back to the pits, at the end of the strait I was caught out by just how quickly you caught me up and I made a mistake by drifting out too much after the bend instead of staying in tight as I had planned, I was caught out so badly I didn't even realise what had happened as you went by until I watched it later. I appologised several times after the race, but you seemed to preffer venting over accepting it and I was duly kicked off the server as a result.
Yes lets, we've both vented. I'm sorry also, I didn't actually fancy having a debate here on the forums but i've this annoying habbit of scratching anything that bugs me - so I scratched, and I really shouldn't have. Sorry too.
Thanks for all the advices! They helped me a lot, now with my wheel working just fine, and trying new setups I was able to do some decent laptimes.
About the server, yeah, I checked some but I didn't know you enter as a spectactor! It was cool to watch other players racing, it's a nice way to know if you reach their standards or not and also learn. Although I still didn't really race online :P Since it's like my 4th day playing the game it's better get some experience before coz just do a "fast" lap in practice mode doesn't mean I can finish an entire race... I still do so many silly mistakes, it's a shame U_U , but I'll keep trying.
all this fuss about backmarkers holding up leaders
hey this is supposed to be a sim, people make mistakes, if you want perfect backmarkers use an inadequate game
everyone goes on about mansell passing senna in hungary as a great manuver and great racing, remember the backmarker in front who held senna up? according to what somepeople want he should have slowed to let them pass before the twisty bits.
i've lost count of the times ive heard it said on tv race coverage that the skill in passing backmarkers is judging your speed so you catch them at the right point on the circuit, i.e. it may be quicker overall to slow a bit before you catch them so you can pass easily, rather than hammering up behind them and having to back right off.
i can understand people getting upset in an organised race / series but in a casual race?
come on everybody there are far more important things to get p*ss*d about and we are all in this game 'cos we love driving and racing
I refuse to get drawn back into a debate. If anyone has issue with my driving they can take it up with the clerk of the course from now on, as there isn't one in LFS - your just **** out of luck.
The more you drive, the more people are going to have historical examples of you screwing up in their opinion.
IN THEIR opinion.
I totally concede Becky's original point contradicting mine, and original absolutely anonymous example.
I agree with STROBE too. If you're lapping someone in-race, and they're in the way, then tough. Make your move on-track, not by spamming. You can't spam in real life, so don't spam on LFS.
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