Well to be honest vykos, but how would we suppose to know that?
Well to be honest vykos, but how would we suppose to know that?
The thing is that F1 is so close, and so technical these days, that the kind of basic information required to create a reasonable sim model just isnt 'trade secret' enough to be worth that much.
You need the weight distribution (which doesnt vary much between cars anyway), a rough engine torque curve (which again doesnt vary that much between teams, and peak power is worked out by F1 pundits anyway from trap speeds etc.), some suspension geometry which can be interpolated from photographs anyway, some rough tyre data, and some rough aero coefficients.
To get a reasonable sim model, none of the data needs to be accurate to the nth degree, just within the bounds of variation in a typical F1 car, so there is no risk of giving away info to competitors that they would find useful in any way.
The secrets are in how they get their cars to acheive those parameters, not the parameters themselves.
You need the weight distribution (which doesnt vary much between cars anyway), a rough engine torque curve (which again doesnt vary that much between teams, and peak power is worked out by F1 pundits anyway from trap speeds etc.), some suspension geometry which can be interpolated from photographs anyway, some rough tyre data, and some rough aero coefficients.
To get a reasonable sim model, none of the data needs to be accurate to the nth degree, just within the bounds of variation in a typical F1 car, so there is no risk of giving away info to competitors that they would find useful in any way.
The secrets are in how they get their cars to acheive those parameters, not the parameters themselves.
Exactly. And getting these out from pure 3d model in LFS or through some f1perf app isn't just possible
This is why you will probably NEVER hear a negative word said by ANY of the 3 LFS developers, against nKPro.
I'm not a dev, and neither is Vykos, nor Don, nor Kid. They're supporters. Supporters are under NO obligation to be restrained in their comments about the competition. Compare it with F1. On one side of the pit wall are a group of professional, responsible engineers and drivers. On the other side of the wall, you'll find us. We can cheer whichever team we want, and say whatever we want about any of the others.
Colcob that's what I was trying to say others have been saying that they reckon Sauber will be giving car specific data, they will only be giving general values to get the sim in the right ball park. Even nK may not have been given specific data from the F3 team just slightly generalised data.
Sorry if I'm moaning or whatever but I've already accepted that if I mention nK on this forum I'll get called a troll so I don't expect others to start ripping it apart.
Sorry if I'm moaning or whatever but I've already accepted that if I mention nK on this forum I'll get called a troll so I don't expect others to start ripping it apart.
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@ajp Could you post an example of what woul something specific data? Suspension geometrics? Suspension components with exatch measurements and graphs/calculations that show how the suspension behaves in certain situation?
Data logging files, precise measurements of pretty much anything, details of how the clutch/gearbox is actually constructed, engine mapping info, traction control software, car setups etc.
In fact almost anything that couldn't be gathered from reading the technical regulations. I see BMW Sauber and LFS as more of a PR relationship I don't think either will actually share each others technology.
That's entirely your prerogative. And those who feel differently have an equal right to express their views, or withhold them, as they feel fit.
As time passes, I find myself having MORE emotional attachment to LFS. That's me. I'm also by nature a reactionary, which means that as more people try to oppress others' expressions regarding nKPro on the OFFICIAL LFS forums, I will complain about that oppression.
I hereby formally lodge my objection to those who are trying to repress me, while I declare my devotion to LFS. Don't repress me!
Simple: You know how exact the Devs work.
People will rip nK to pieces here. I quite like nK (bugs aside), but it IS the lesser simulation, and on a forum such as this it's not exactly going to get glowing remarks...
But not complain that the same people bashing nK for having the same bugs as LFS also bitch about anyone posting fair but pro-nK thoughts as being forum trolls?
Some people are going to perceive you this way, on here. You're in the lion's den, while posting on the LFS forum. Some people are going to be translating your pro-nK stance as anti-LFS. I've always believed we're responsible for the way others perceive us, but I concede that we can't be responsible for all possible inferences.
I don't think the devs are even interested how the new gearbox of the bmw sauber works (like getting the location of each bolt and bearing...). All the info they need is that how it handles in certain situations and what kind parametres are involved. The RAC is not 100% true in the view of mechanical engineering because it would not make any more real or better.
But in a way this whole speculation is a bit too early. No one has even driven the damn thing
I expect the F1 car (if it is going to be in LFS) to be as realistic as the RAC is for example. But I hope it is 100% like the real thing with all the fancy eletronics included.
OK enough about nK bashing nK, being pro-nK being anti-LFS etc. could we please just get back to discussing the updates and spamming the forum . Seems the atmosphere here has changed since the updates thread was locked.
. Seems the atmosphere here has changed since the updates thread was locked.@Hyperactive - your last post sums it up precisely the devs couldn't really give a toss how a clutch works seeing as atm we don't seem to have much of a gearbox simulation 
Really don't know how we came to this disscusion. We need another cryptic update to liven things up on here
Really don't know how we came to this disscusion. We need another cryptic update to liven things up on here
We should be seeing the next update in about two hours' time :laola:
And I'm happy if the patch comes out on friday or saturday... won't screw my studying
And I'm happy if the patch comes out on friday or saturday... won't screw my studying
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LFS World just went offline!?!?
Oh maybe this will be the new LFS? (with patch R)
Well, the high nose bug and low grip issue surely disappeared
Back to topic
Hi all,
I will not comment the nK pro thingy but can we please get back to the topic.You are hijacking my thread guys
I will not comment the nK pro thingy but can we please get back to the topic.You are hijacking my thread guys
Because of demand for the main page? a new video and cmx viewer hav ejust appeared
Is there a way to get this video to loop as a screensaver?
*Speculation* - Release date is known now
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