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Quote from 5haz :Religion is indeed a very good excuse for justifying wars.

Joe, currently being snowed in.

Hah, join the club.
I don't want to blow your bubble, but I highly doubt it's only 22% of the people who are stupid.

In fact I think that approxiamtely 80 to 90% of the total population of any nation on this earth, are blithering idiots, no matter what they believe in, or what they refuse to believe.

And to add to the other part of this discussion: Religion is a concept that should have been ditched in the Renaissance, as all it did from then on was slowing the human developement down.

Of course, most of the times before the Renaissance, most of the cleric activities revcolved around oppressing and torturing people, but back then, at least convents where places where actual practical research was done.
Quote :Religion is indeed a very good excuse for justifying wars.

So is evolution (cultural).

Evolution theory might be the best idea we've got about the formation of biological life on earth, yet even in the sciences widely held 'beliefs' are routinely being turned over, world views are shattered- there's always the possibility (probability) that we've got something wrong somewhere along the line.

Anyway, as Mark Twain was fond of saying, and folks are fond of quoting...

'It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.'

I try to live by that and I seem to get along o.k. It's the people who are so certain about things who make me nervous, wherever they're coming from.
Quote from duke_toaster :http://www.guardian.co.uk/scie ... darwin-survey-creationism

Is this any surprise? Do you think your country is full of evolution deniers?

erm...


the british evolved ??

ever since the early 90's they've been stuck in the chav/retard cycle...

nothign will ever change... until jeremy clarkson gets into power...


when he messes everything up, they will start from scratch again and be saved but until then...
Quote from Crashgate3 :

Pretty much sums up the fundamental difference between Science and Religion. Despite what religious leaders etc will have you believe Religion is not self doubting, Science fundamentally is. There is a common misconception that Science deals in fundamental truths. It does not, it deals in as yet unfalsified theories of truths, and only until such time as they are proven false.

Are people stupid to believe in creationism? No, not necessarily. Only if they have the intellectual capacity to understand evolution but dogmatically refuse to embrace it despite knowing that creationism is a flawed concept and relying on their "gut" rather than their "intellect" to dictate what they choose to believe. Otherwise they are just ignorant, misguided or worse brainwashed.

Children can not be blamed for what they believe due to being indoctronated by their parents and other adults. As they say, Religion is child abuse.
Yeah.. when I was going to school they'd force us to pray, we'd have to learn about Christianity as if we believed in it, all that shit.


Teaching Christianity should be illegal until Year 10 where you have a choice in the matter.
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I used to love winding up the annoying religious kids at school by demanding they tell me if they hated homosexuals.

The used to try an deny it, but then they would realise that they really did hate them, but they didn't want to say yes, the frustration would reduce them to tears.
Quote from hrtburnout :My parents did the same. They weren't as fanatic as others, because they did so more out of a tradition. I was never an enthousiastic christian kid, and I just attended certain events and clubs because I had to. At the age of 14 I started to question my parents' ideas, and decided not to be christian any longer (if I ever was :shrug. Some parents are really good at training their children though.

What I forgot to say was that I live in the so-called Dutch bible belt. The religious tradition may be (or IS) much larger here and cannot be compared to other regions in the Netherlands.
We have our own bunch of muppets like that ... Operation Christian Vote put candidates for elections some times and came sixth in the election for the mayor of London, and failed to get any seats in the London Assembly (sadly, the neo-nazi BNP managed to get one) - although we don't use a list PR system like you do in The Netherlands, we get FPTP - the postcode lottery system. Yippee!

There's also Christian Voice. They haven't put any candidates for election. Wouldn't put it beyond them in the future, although at the moment they are more interested in censoring the arts.

All countries have these nutcases.
I'm very much opposed to the antidisestablishmentarianist movement as you can probably all imagine ( after googling the word anyway ). One country where antidisestablishmentairianism failed was America, yet since the seperation of church from state they seem to have embraced religion leading government in a whole hearted manner.

Whether you are pro-religion or not I think most would agree that religion leading a nation is a bad thing, especially in a multi-cultural society (whether you include the current religious enemy in that or not), as it is inherrently non-representative.

If you are a Christian, or of any other denomination, please dont vote for a religious candidate in any election ever. Religion and government shouldn't be mixed.
Quote : 22% of Britain stupid

It's that little?! I'm ****ing surprised, I thought it was at least 97%.
Quote from Becky Rose :

Whether you are pro-religion or not I think most would agree that religion leading a nation is a bad thing,

after all, look what it's done the the USA

I suppose the one thing I can contribute to this is those adverts on buses, you know, the 'there is probably no god' ones. A guy refused to drive a bus with that advert on because of his Christianity which is fair enough. But then the Advertising Standards Authority wade in, saying they are investigating the advert due to grounds of it being 'unproveable'. But surely all these adverts promoting god and religion are unproveable too? Shocking double standards from the ASA
Quote from mookie427 :after all, look what it's done the the USA

I suppose the one thing I can contribute to this is those adverts on buses, you know, the 'there is probably no god' ones. A guy refused to drive a bus with that advert on because of his Christianity which is fair enough. But then the Advertising Standards Authority wade in, saying they are investigating the advert due to grounds of it being 'unproveable'. But surely all these adverts promoting god and religion are unproveable too? Shocking double standards from the ASA

It's unprovable that there is a probability that there is no God? Then from that we can deduce that they have proof that there is a God, or? Interesting.
Quote from mookie427 :Shocking double standards from the ASA

Actually no, they have to investigate every complaint. In the case of the aethiest bus adverts my understanding is they did not have the adverts removed.
Hah, some of those are good..
Finally!
Everyone european, especially GB, blames that USA is so damn stupid.
Well whoopiedoo. here you go asswipes! BIIIONNGGG!!
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