this is the best deal you will find for the 2 sites you wanted and in your price range from the 2 links you posted with other cards. and will smoke those other cards by a big margin.

http://shop2.frys.com/product/ ... te=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

WOW!!!! does it have a fan or will it overheat?

Most likely uses a heatsink if it doesn't have a fan. These won't overheat but you can't overclock them, and often run at slower clock speeds than a fan-cooled equivalent.

im gettin' http://shop2.frys.com/product/ ... te=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
very good deal and thanks

this is a pic of it and yes you can overclock these with no problems. dont install the driver from the cd when you get it goto http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and enter your stuff and download the latest drivers

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... Video%20Card%20-%20Retail


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... 3239&Tpk=PNY%209600GT

thatnks for the pics its on my to get list.

I dont understand why you're buying a 9600GT thats more expensive than the HD4830. It makes no sense at all illepall

Quote from Tezuka :

I dont understand why you're buying a 9600GT thats more expensive than the HD4830. It makes no sense at all illepall

Fanboys...

But smart fanboys (lol oxymoron) would just pay $10 more and buy the 8800GT

^yup, i like Nvidia... it's simply me...

I have ASUS's version of the 9600 on my PC, works well..

http://reviews.cnet.com/graphi ... 4505-8902_7-32864307.html

9600gt is faster than the 4830

Quote from natedog420 :

9600gt is faster than the 4830

LOL!!! Do you have a source to back that up? Otherwise you're just proving that you have no idea what you're talking about!

The Radeon 4830 is faster than the 9800GT, and thus significantly faster than the 9600GT .

Next time go read some reviews before making statements like the one you just made.

i like Nvidia:laola:

if you like nvidia then why don't you marry it...

cause i can't, and i cant take advantage of it... sharp edges..

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

LOL!!! Do you have a source to back that up? Otherwise you're just proving that you have no idea what you're talking about!

The Radeon 4830 is faster than the 9800GT, and thus significantly faster than the 9600GT .

Next time go read some reviews before making statements like the one you just made.

heres my proof as the 8800 gt is the same as the 9800 gt but 9800gt has lower power consumption and i would say it beats the 4830. and to add to that my 8800gt beats a 4850 when i have it at my high clocks so....

http://xtreview.com/images/HD4830vs9800GT.PNG

But now we're talking about the 9800GT, which was not part of what you said first. You said the 9600GT is faster than the 4830, which is simply not true. I don't care to compare the 9800GT to the 4830, they give similar performance numbers, it all depends on who reviewed them...

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

LOL!!! Do you have a source to back that up? Otherwise you're just proving that you have no idea what you're talking about!

The Radeon 4830 is faster than the 9800GT, and thus significantly faster than the GTX295! .

Well, kinda fixed it.

I know you think I'm an ATI fanboy (which I am lol), but don't put words into my mouth.

I also have an Ati, but I cant consider myself a Ati fanboy. This is my first Ati I ever bought and im very happy with it.

Well, I did own a Ati 9550 when it was new.

can you post 2 links or 1 official link that satisfys me?

Driver support should be a top issue also, another reason someone will choose Nvidia. I just bought a 9800GTX+ OC and never happier, and it runs everything perfectly fine, no "hotfixes" do download.. Go nvidia, at least for now.

so the 9600 it is

Quote from DHRammstein :

Driver support should be a top issue also, another reason someone will choose Nvidia. I just bought a 9800GTX+ OC and never happier, and it runs everything perfectly fine, no "hotfixes" do download.. Go nvidia, at least for now.

Sorry, but the stuff you've posted is utter crap. I've had Matroxes, NVidias and ATIs (I won't post a list, but my pc experience starts in 1990) and NEVER had ANY driver problems. not even with my 12 mile long vesa local bus cards.
Either you can install a driver or you're just useless. At everything.

greetz

der butz