I picked up LFS again after the new patch and was VERY pleased with the physics upgrade. The cars feel very good and I enjoyed myself hotlapping.

Then I joined a few multiplayer games...

I understand everyone is not a professional racer and mistakes will be made, but there just seemed to be little EFFORT made to respect others' races. Perhaps the ability to join ongoing races and to pit and leave pits at will makes for little incentive to race cleanly as one can just re-enter the race after crashing. I have never really understood the decision to allow joining ongoing races.

After racing rFactor for the last few months, I have noticed a sharp increase in the respect most racers show in trying not to ruin another's race while attempting a pass. There are, of course, still exceptions, but as a rule, the etiquette is in sharp contrast to what I have usually seen in LFS.

My point: LFS is a great game that needs some nudges in the right direction regarding online racing. I think locking races after start would be a good place to start. And hopefully discussions like these can influence the immature or overly aggessive racers who are marring an otherwise stellar racing experience.

My .02, feel free to leave yours.

The only thing I miss and sometimes fail at myself is patience.
Just wait for the right oportunity to make the pass and stay behind your enemy until then.

That's my only advice, everything else doesn't need talking.

Vain

That's the core of the problem I think. Hence my suggestion in the Suggested Improvements forum. It would cut down on T1 nonesense, and big ego'd overtakers.

There is an option to prevent mid-race joins in the server admin options.

I personally like being able to join a race at any time, especially if you join a server where a long race, say 10-20 laps, is taking place. As someone said it allows you to head off onto the track do to a few practice laps and tweak your setup and fuel load before the real race begins.

Maybe an idea would be that instead of just preventing mid-race joins completely, you just had an option to disallow rejoining a race you have retired from. This way when you first join a server, or if you miss the start of a race, you can still join the track, but if you crash and retire you need to wait until the current race has finished before rejoining.

Or turn off car to car collision with new joiners and drop the alpha 50% to make them ghosts!

That is I always called for CRC coming back.These were the times I enjoyed LFS so much.Respect of guys to each other.

Yes, during demo days I was a member of the CRC (I joined soon after a certain wrkr team started appearing) and had some great races with the guys :up: I'm sure CRC would be welcome by many people.

As for mid-race join, there's part of me that wouldn't mind seeing it gone altogether. It may make things a little inconvenient but in the long run it may also encourage people to at least learn a particular track offline (alone or against AI) before going online.

Another part of me likes the mid-race join option, as I've used it many times to learn a track and then gone and had a good scrap or good result in the next race. I think the sheer volume of LFS pickup servers (versus that of GPL, where there's a lot of league or otherwise organised activity, therefore guys are learning tracks/cars well in advance of raceday and you can assume your opponents know what they're doing to an extent) means mid-race join should always be an option to avoid locking out people who just want a quick sprint or two. I guess leaving the option open to server bosses is the way to go.

Back to driving - as the OP said, you can't expect everyone to be experts but they should at least make an effort to respect other peoples' racing room while they're learning to race. Often I see the "it's my first time here" excuse when someone ruins a race for someone else at T1. If that's so, then clearly the driver needs to be more careful. It's a shame sometimes how many people hop onto a track they don't know and just start off, full-throttle, without having a clue about braking/turn-in points, create carnage and cause restarts only to defend themselves with the "I'm new" excuse. Once is ok for that I suppose, but you have to worry about someone who keeps doing it. I heard that the definition of insanity is when a person keeps doing exactly the same thing but expects different results...

have you been racing rfactor in the same style as lfs, just turn up and play, or organised leagues?

CRC is still around. It kind of migrated away from it's original intent due to lack of support from the community. I'd go for the community to get back into CRC, especially teams. Then the teams could choose to set their servers up as CRC passworded servers and all should be cool . Those who have come back post patch and don't know, notice the tag I have listed in my signature. I still have CRC in my name and I spent a good 2 or 3 months pre-patch T in the CRC demo server racing with some great demo guys as well as many S2 licensed users and CRC admins who frequented.

dont mind a new person askin but what is crc

Clean Racer's Club

A loose association of people/servers who put driving cleanly and being fair to allcomers above personal pride and triumph. There ought to be more of them about really...

im down for that ... i used to play forza (not pure sim but best on a console) and hate when people bumped me and stuff for no reason and didnt even say sorry

maybe we can get like a VOIP like teamspeak or vent goin for a CRC server

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We've had this discussion before.

This is not entirely correct. Might be better to say that we've had this discussion hundreds of times before. Those who drive wrecklessly online will never change: no use wasting bandwidth.

Alanb

So why waste yours?

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So why waste yours?

got a point with that one


i was just in the CORE server having a blast with the BF1 I EVEN CAME IN 2nd ... steady racing lil over a min on each lap and i didnt spin or push it hard and i made 2 good clean pass ... then everyone got much better somehow and i was in 6th or 7th rest of time haha ... but i was tryin to hold a line and CORE Carl was commin in fast and i braked about 1 second late and cause a bit of a mess ... i said sorry carl and he said np and life went on ... he came outta pits my next lap and was passin me then tearin ass around the track ... hes a much faster racer so i tried to keep up and use different lines fomr what i normall use was fun and i thank Carl for bein a good sport about my mess up

ErockCTS (and any other new guys), CRC is a vote in club. It started before LFS was released to paid licensed users and was demo only. Wreckers is precisely why CRC came about. That way, you were voted into CRC by other members who know you or have seen you racing. Thus, once a member, you got the CRC password for servers that other folks and teams provided who were involved with CRC. That way, everyone could join in the community passworded servers and enjoy wrecker free racing.

FYI, here's the website for the current CRC. www.cleanracersclub.org

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i was just in the CORE server.... ....CORE Carl was commin in fast and i braked about 1 second late and cause a bit of a mess ... i said sorry carl and he said np and life went on ...

Since you are in the US, you will see the Core guys quite frequently. They are a great bunch. I've been racing with them since S2 demo was released. They are fast, they are courteous, and great to be around. A few other teams you can look for is LOTF (Land Of The Free), [noobs], Mercury Racing, and other's I can't think of. They are all the folks I usually see (for the past year+) and all are great folks.

Another thing you can check into is our league (as in the only one in the evenings US/Canada/Mexico times). http://lfsnal.org// is the website (NAL - North American League). Runs hour long races on Sunday nights at 10 PM eastern time every 2 weeks. Check it out as the season hasn't been started yet. Again, you'll see the Core, Mercury Racing, LOTF, Eagles and [400] race teams there. Not to worry though, the servers are split up by qualifying times, so you race with others who run like you do. Great fun.

cool cool ... im done racing for the night thou so maybe if i dont go to bar tomorow night someone can see me sucking and not tryin to hit anyone haha

If i dont have a track down nearly perfect in the particular car im driving, i simply drop to the back right off and let anyone that is obviously faster than i am pass with no holdup (when i get lapped).
I think servers should make that a clear auto-message-rule when you enter, and if you violate it you get banned.
It basically just comes down to relying on people to be mature. Especially the person who may get shunted into outer space on turn one by a newb.
The first time I played the game i caused a wreck and got cursed out by 10 people. Allmost turned me off to the game entirely because of the elitist attitude of those who had more experience and expected me to magically know all the etiquitte (sp), not to mention the obvious intimidating depth of the game itself. I didnt realize the extreme precision the game demanded. Its not like i was trying to ruin everyones race.
Having said that, i've never seen more people behave as maturely and calmly in an online videogame in my life than people do in lfs. Of course their still are some intentional morons.