Hi all,

What I found really bad about current system of making hotlaps is how they are actually done.People are trying to warm up tyres in a pretty unrealistic way to make the 1st or 2nd lap(usually) the hotlap.

What should be done is the ban the idea to going backward in hotlap mode and makes those unrealistic car movements.

Also pre-warm up of tyres should be implemented.

Hope some other guys can add something and we can have serious disscussion about this issue.

I am not in favor. Describe the "unrealistic way" of warming up tyres.

Quote from (SaM) :

I am not in favor. Describe the "unrealistic way" of warming up tyres.

Just downoad the WR hotlap of XFG in BL GP....the "initial" lap before doing the 1st lap hotlap.Do you consider it real life?I have never see it in real life when drivers make hotlaps with GTR cars ot what soever cars....except drag racing.

Yes I have always hated warming up the tyres with either those extreme steering actions, resulting in damaging your beloved any expensive wheel, or going backwards and doing weird things to get the tyres warm where they shall be warm. It would be easier to have a slider where you can set the start temperature :P

Quote from (SaM) :

I am not in favor. Describe the "unrealistic way" of warming up tyres.

Well, people drive backwards and make a burnout with one tyre on the dirt, and in a special angle so you only warm up the outter part of the tyre... in some of the old Q hotlaps, quite a few drivers made a 5 minute tyre warumup procedure just to drive one lap... ROFL
99% of all my hotlaps end already in the first 2 turns. (after the last split and before the actual hotlap starts, that is)

Just because this tyre-heating procedure isnt performed before real races or hotlaps doesnt mean it is unrealistic. In fact, driving like this is possible and does heat up tires.
In Formula 1 before races, the drivers swirve to the sides and back as well to heat up tires, not as heavily as this hotlap, but it's similiar.

Why they don't put 50% fuel and drive so long that tires are warm, that is what I do and I can't find any difference using less fuel, except car won't travel so long

Quote from (SaM) :

Just because this tyre-heating procedure isnt performed before real races or hotlaps doesnt mean it is unrealistic. In fact, driving like this is possible and does heat up tires.
In Formula 1 before races, the drivers swirve to the sides and back as well to heat up tires, not as heavily as this hotlap, but it's similiar.

The procedure how is made now is way too unrealistic.And we are talking about the simulator I hope.

It's not really "unrealistic", it's more "out of place" if you ask me. Have you seen Formula One drivers making burnouts on curbs to heat up their tyres?

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

The procedure how is made now is way too unrealistic.And we are talking about the simulator I hope.

In the case of hotlaps, I don't think it really matters. The things that people do to warm the tires can be a bit extreme, but it's because nobody wants to waste time driving 5 laps, warming up the tires, when they only need a single lap for their hotlap time.

Is this method of tire warming before a hotlap negatively affecting you in some way?

Or going in the wrong direction before their qualifying lap

I usually drive 5 lap sets when doing hotlaps. Tires get warmed where the grip is needed and I get a rhythm going that helps me concentrate on laps 3-5 when I'm really going for it. Much more realistic IMO.

Remember though that one can drive a single warmup lap in the correct direction too, swinging from side to side warming up the tires. It's not really an issue because the same effect can be attained in a more "legal" manner, it just saves some time.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

In the case of hotlaps, I don't think it really matters. The things that people do to warm the tires can be a bit extreme, but it's because nobody wants to waste time driving 5 laps, warming up the tires, when they only need a single lap for their hotlap time.

Is this method of tire warming before a hotlap negatively affecting you in some way?

I liked hotlaping very much in past but to continue I would have to say soon bye,bye to my wheel.

And as I said we are talking about simulator which is in contrast with how is done the initial part of hotlaping.For example in F1 before new rules drivers made best laps after a few laps because even the pre-warmup of tyres doesnt make them to have best grip right after a start.

Tyre heating is ok in my opinion. What should be changed are two things:
- Start out of the pits so you have a complete lap to warm up your tyres.
- Invalid hotlap when driving backwards, just like it's now in online mode.

No I dont like the idea of having to drive a whole lap, its takes so much time usually... Where is the problem with setting a decent start temperature?

what we need is either some way to prewarm tyres to a specific temperature or a different starting point for hotlaps (peferably from the pits)

Quote from GP4Flo :

Tyre heating is ok in my opinion. What should be changed are two things:
- Start out of the pits so you have a complete lap to warm up your tyres.
- Invalid hotlap when driving backwards, just like it's now in online mode.

Tyre heating is ok and I can really agree on this but going backward should be really made hotlap invalid.

Quote from ORION :

No I dont like the idea of having to drive a whole lap, its takes so much time usually... Where is the problem with setting a decent start temperature?

Starting from pits is actually alot more realistic instead of suddenly being on the track from nowhere. The pits have to be where you always start from.

Yes of course but it's a waste of time and thus the reasong why im not hotlapping at all. Ok, I dont have enough practise to get decent laps anyways, so I will suck either
But I agree that prewarmed tyres and starting form the pits is the most realistic way.

Quote from ORION :

But I agree that prewarmed tyres and starting form the pits is the most realistic way.

And not going backward ofcourse

I agree that you should have to start from the pits. I have never hotlapped since my beginnings of LFS. But, I saw a few track/car combo's that netted me PB's and this early in the game, I noticed it wasn't far from the early WR's. It would be cool to get my name up there in the charts (as I never was a very fast driver) even if it would be wiped out rather quickly. It takes me 2 to 3 laps to get in the rythm for a good laptime, so, are all WR hotlaps only 1 lap? Or can you submit a replay of 2 or 3 laps and it would take the fastest one? I don't know that since I've never hotlapped.

Quote from mrodgers :

Or can you submit a replay of 2 or 3 laps and it would take the fastest one? I don't know that since I've never hotlapped.

Yes you can, even with nonHLVC laps, only HLVC valid fastest lap is counted

EDIT: Voting for prewarmed tyres and starting from the pits too.

Not exactly in the same subject, but on-topic for the thread..
anyone else ever had a problem with the idea that a hotlap is invalid after driving on the grass or dirt *on a rallycross circuit* ??? illepall


btw I also vote for a variable tire temp at start of hotlap, for what it's worth.

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F1 tire warmup

F1, Champ cars, Indy Racing League, and many other car and almost all motorcycle series, use tire warmers to pre-heat the tires. In the case of F1, tires are pre-heated to about 190 degrees farenheight / 88 degrees celcius. The crew have to wear thermal gloves to handle the tires.

In the case of GPL, you had to run a pre-lap to warm up the tires. The one exception was Nordschliefe, where it was common to use a Nordcshleife (Nurburg) trainer to place your car near the end of the lap so you didn't have to run an entire 14.1 mile long lap to warm up tires.

Quote from Andreas Grauel :

I do like this idea. Just the backwars thing is a bit illepall , cause who would go backwards even von Aston club you dont go backwards just a bit to the right on the last turn to go a bit faster.

Look at BL hotlaps with XF GTI.It looks funny and weird what people do to make fastest lap.

I am for:

- going from pits
- going backwards mean invalid hotlap
- tyre warmup selectable.

+1 for driving backwards
+1 for starting from the pitbox

And as I said we are talking about simulator which is in contrast with how is done the initial part of hotlaping.For example in F1 before new rules drivers made best laps after a few laps because even the pre-warmup of tyres doesnt make them to have best grip right after a start.
Just use the "<" ">" to turn the FF off while you warm up your tyres and then as you head to do your lap turn it back on.

Keiran