+1 for starting from where we currently do, with tires heated to a user-defined temperature. If they're heated to optimal temps what's the point of starting from the pits to drive an extra lap around the track? The only thing it would accomplish is overheating.

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Not exactly in the same subject, but on-topic for the thread..
anyone else ever had a problem with the idea that a hotlap is invalid after driving on the grass or dirt *on a rallycross circuit* ??? illepall

ehm what's the problem.. just keep 2 wheels on track (dirt, not grass) like driving on any other track

and yeah +1 for the idea of pre-warmed tyres.. just like IRL

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Look at BL hotlaps with XF GTI.It looks funny and weird what people do to make fastest lap.

I guess I'm guilty of this, but you don't really have to destroy your wheel to get the tires up to temp. Since my controller has very little steering lock, I just do a couple of long slides to warm them up. When done right you don't need any crazy zigzag maneuvers. I made a replay to show you what I mean.

I agree with some of this. I guess some people feel that they're elite if they get a good hotlap on lap one or two. Who cares, in the ends its all about getting a good time. I warm up my tires by doing a few laps first.

The main issue here, seems to be the possibility of driving backwards in HL mode.
Ok, imagine this: I hotlap a LX4/6 with the current system a) at the start of the HL I accelerate with significant amount of wheelspin and stop the car when the rear wheels don't spin anymore and I repeat this procedure many times, b) then I warm the front tires by turning full lock in corners at the same time accelerating, so just before the actual HL starts I have prewarmed tires. I assume you, DEVIL 007 are gonna say that this way is "unrealistic" too, so what do you suggest? I can't brake before the actual HL or I can't turn the front wheels fully left and right?

I could agree with using prewarmed (to one FIXED temperature) tires on BF1, FXR, XRR, FZR, and removing the bacward driving option.

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Look at BL hotlaps with XF GTI.It looks funny and weird what people do to make fastest lap.

I am for:

- going from pits
- going backwards mean invalid hotlap
- tyre warmup selectable.

TOTALY agreed

Simulator means, best physics, but also realistic behavior of driver on track.
In real life, you'll never see a car start in the middle of the track, or driver allowed to do dangerous think on track , EVEN if the track is closed for him only.
So why should it be authorized in a simulator ?

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The main issue here, seems to be the possibility of driving backwards in HL mode.
Ok, imagine this: I hotlap a LX4/6 with the current system a) at the start of the HL I accelerate with significant amount of wheelspin and stop the car when the rear wheels don't spin anymore and I repeat this procedure many times, b) then I warm the front tires by turning full lock in corners at the same time accelerating, so just before the actual HL starts I have prewarmed tires. I assume you, DEVIL 007 are gonna say that this way is "unrealistic" too, so what do you suggest? I can't brake before the actual HL or I can't turn the front wheels fully left and right?

I could agree with using prewarmed (to one FIXED temperature) tires on BF1, FXR, XRR, FZR, and removing the bacward driving option.

I was only talking from that start to make the HL mode just a bit more realistic.What you have described is more closer to realistic(the full lock is also a bit unrealistic) and to stop before hotlap I dont see anything unrealistic.
I hope you can agree that going backwards in hotlaping mode is really beating the word simulator.

Yet another feature that isn't needed. The tyres will get warm one way or another, be that driving out of the pits, doing burnout or swerving.
Therefore it's just a matter of a time it takes, doesn't change anyone's speed on the track.
If you claim that is a reason for you to dislike hotlapping, it sounds like an excuse for not being competitive.

ps. No race is won in hotlapping mode

Bah, i don't really care. Hotlapping is hotlapping - if you prefer to drive 5 laps to heat up your tires just do it. If you prefer burnouts and driving backwards to shorten the time for warming up - just do it .
So where is the problem? Everyone can do it the way he likes. In the end there is only ONE rule that counts: HLVC.
Hotlapping is all about ONE lap. I dont care how the lap is started, i even would say respect to people that have some creative lines and techiques. Just watch, learn and improve

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If you claim that is a reason for you to dislike hotlapping, it sounds like an excuse for not being competitive.

If you think so

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Yet another feature that isn't needed. The tyres will get warm one way or another, be that driving out of the pits, doing burnout or swerving.
Therefore it's just a matter of a time it takes, doesn't change anyone's speed on the track.
If you claim that is a reason for you to dislike hotlapping, it sounds like an excuse for not being competitive.

ps. No race is won in hotlapping mode

I agree with some of what you're saying.....I mean, racing is where the fun is at....

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If you claim that is a reason for you to dislike hotlapping, it sounds like an excuse for not being competitive.

This is uncalled for, you havent seen him drive..assumptions aren't worth starting an arguemenet for, so keep it under lock and key.


I like this pre heated tyre business...It could promote some interesting race tactics..especially in events like ATC's 60 lappers and the like.
And I like the idea of invalidating a hotlap if you go backwards, makes sense really.

Oh, and I have no opinion on whether we start from pit or not - it's too big a point of conversation

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Yes I have always hated warming up the tyres with either those extreme steering actions, resulting in damaging your beloved any expensive wheel, or going backwards and doing weird things to get the tyres warm where they shall be warm.

Well, I do this quite often in my hotlaps. But I'm not damaging my wheel, I don't full steer till I can't go further. illepall

But look to the F1 for example. Raikkonen does it the same way. He warms the rear tyres by making a burn-out, and the front tyres by extreme steering. And Alonso does it by some heavy slaloming.

But driving backwards shouldn't be allowed though.

And aren't the tyres already pre-warmed? I mean, if you start they're already 40 degrees C. While the air temprature is 20-25 degrees?

The way I see it hotlapping itself isn't very realistic so defining what is realistic behaviour when hotlapping is kinda a moot point.
If I happened to be in a "hotlapping" situation in real life I'm pretty certain there would be nothing stopping me from driving backwards or doing burnouts or whatever.
I dunno, I don't feel that strongly either way but find some of these discussions about what is and isn't realistic in a computer game a bit strange.

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The way I see it hotlapping itself isn't very realistic so defining what is realistic behaviour when hotlapping is kinda a moot point.
If I happened to be in a "hotlapping" situation in real life I'm pretty certain there would be nothing stopping me from driving backwards or doing burnouts or whatever.
I dunno, I don't feel that strongly either way but find some of these discussions about what is and isn't realistic in a computer game a bit strange.

*sign*

Maybe starting the hotlaps from the last sector is not realistis, but it is VERY useful, so you don't have to complete a whole lap before getting times.

I think this is one of those Simulation-features that we can get advantage of., why get rid of it?

If we had much more severe flatspots/hotspots this unrealistic way of heating tyres would be automatically fixed.

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Originally Posted by MikeB
Bah, i don't really care. Hotlapping is hotlapping - if you prefer to drive 5 laps to heat up your tires just do it. If you prefer burnouts and driving backwards to shorten the time for warming up - just do it .
So where is the problem? Everyone can do it the way he likes. In the end there is only ONE rule that counts: HLVC.
Hotlapping is all about ONE lap. I dont care how the lap is started, i even would say respect to people that have some creative lines and techiques. Just watch, learn and improve

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Originally Posted by tailing
The way I see it hotlapping itself isn't very realistic so defining what is realistic behaviour when hotlapping is kinda a moot point.
If I happened to be in a "hotlapping" situation in real life I'm pretty certain there would be nothing stopping me from driving backwards or doing burnouts or whatever.
I dunno, I don't feel that strongly either way but find some of these discussions about what is and isn't realistic in a computer game a bit strange.

What they said.


And, can't you switch to mouse to warm up tires/swirve and then switch back to wheel for the actual laping?

Quote from IDUI :

What they said.
And, can't you switch to mouse to warm up tires/swirve and then switch back to wheel for the actual laping?

Quite funny....and what other bizzare suggestion you will have?

Quote from IDUI :

And, can't you switch to mouse to warm up tires/swirve and then switch back to wheel for the actual laping?

No. Switching controllers stops replay recording.

For me this suggestion sounds like waste of time.
At least when talking about starting from the pits or denying the wrongway driving.
The only difference I can see here is it would take more time to get the actual hotlap started. And the tires will get heated one way or the other anyways.
The slider thing for prewarming the tires with the current system when you´re starting from the last split of the track, I do agree.

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Quite funny....and what other bizzare suggestion you will have?

You find my attempt to help you funny?

I support the idea of a pre setuped start tyre temperature. +1!
Starting from pits won't help, people will keep doing those bizare things ..

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You find my attempt to help you funny?

No just the way I should make it.
This is one of the best simulators around and I should take such a approach to it?Someone watching me and I explaining him this is the best simulator would have to laugh hearing the word simulator.

What makes this a great sim is the physics. I'm sure the developers will look into issues like prewarmed tires closer to complition of the project. For now all we can do is enjoy what we have. Then again, if noone would ever complain some ideas, perhaps, would never exist.

Besides, it's fun to warm up the XFG.

Quote from tailing :

The way I see it hotlapping itself isn't very realistic so defining what is realistic behaviour when hotlapping is kinda a moot point.
If I happened to be in a "hotlapping" situation in real life I'm pretty certain there would be nothing stopping me from driving backwards or doing burnouts or whatever.
I dunno, I don't feel that strongly either way but find some of these discussions about what is and isn't realistic in a computer game a bit strange.

Exactly what he said. After all, hotlapping doesn't simulate any rL racing I know of, it's just a nice feature of LFS, that gives some neat statistics (if you care for that kind of info, that is). So why should it be more complicated and time consuming than necessary? And if you're racing on a server with qualifying the whole "hotlapping" business works exactly as it does in rL anyway.