Every suggestion about poor framerate results in "make sure no unneccessary background processes are running". Ok, I can understand the stupid stuff like winamp, office, messenger programs, etc., but how the heck do you know what all the other processes are and if they can be shut down? I have stuff like 7 instances of svchost.exe, smss.exe, navapsvc.exe, MsPMSPSv.exe, lsass.exe, and so many other processes running (35 of them to be exact right now). So, how do I know which ones I can shut off when I run LFS?
Background processes?
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Background processes?
If you're not sure of what something is, Google it, you'll usually get something near the top of the list which will tell you what program it's associated with.
dunno, but all those you listed there are windows processes
No. "navapsvc.exe" belongs to Norton AV. TBH I would advise everyone to NOT use Norton products anymore. Some years back they were rather good but nowadays they can only be described as crap in many aspects.
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I just read that some users say that this process takes a lot of CPU-power and memory away. Can't confirm this since I obviously don't use it myself...
well ya, thats the only one.. i cant get that one to stop running on my computer.. i dont even have norton.. but it runs.. strange, owell... i dont own it anyways, it just came with computer and i never updated (cause.. i didnt want to pay for something that wont help me)
Well considering I have a game running, aim, musicmatch, and firefox running I have 33 processes. Then my DFP driver is running, and windowsblinds is running, motherboard manager
I think windows uses from 25-27 processes default.
Press Ctrl+alt+delete and sort by "mem usage" to check which is raping your computer, no windows process except explorer.exe (Desktop+start menu) and svchost.exe should take more then 10 000K IMO
if you sort by CPU, that's what your computer is current processing. I have a game running alternating from 6-15 and firefox 0-6 depending on if I'm typing or not. Musicmatch is using 0 and it just switched songs, but every now and then hits 2, so basically just look around. Kill a windows process and your computer will either go into emergency shutdown (Timer of doom) or it will just not let you kill it.
Damn, long post, sorry.
I think windows uses from 25-27 processes default.
Press Ctrl+alt+delete and sort by "mem usage" to check which is raping your computer, no windows process except explorer.exe (Desktop+start menu) and svchost.exe should take more then 10 000K IMO
if you sort by CPU, that's what your computer is current processing. I have a game running alternating from 6-15 and firefox 0-6 depending on if I'm typing or not. Musicmatch is using 0 and it just switched songs, but every now and then hits 2, so basically just look around. Kill a windows process and your computer will either go into emergency shutdown (Timer of doom) or it will just not let you kill it.
Damn, long post, sorry.
And one more:
I also read that "MsPMSPSv.exe" is part of the windows media player 7 on Win 2000. So if you don't use this combination of OS/mediaplayer you might want to look if this is some kind of spyware that tries to hide by using a filename used by some windows versions too.
You can also try a little program called "Hijackthis" which can be found here. It checks your running processes and autostarts and IE plugins and such stuff and generates a log-file that you can copy and paste on the website I linked to get some results on what it found out.
But be aware that there is everything in the logfile - not just malware! So don't go and fix everything rightaway...
You can also get help on their forums I think - never used the forum myself so far. The fixing of found malware is not always successful but at least you get an idea if there might be trouble around and where it might be located.
Ad-Aware and SpyBot can do such jobs too, but from my experience they don't find all bad stuff in case your system is really ... well ... sick ...
I also read that "MsPMSPSv.exe" is part of the windows media player 7 on Win 2000. So if you don't use this combination of OS/mediaplayer you might want to look if this is some kind of spyware that tries to hide by using a filename used by some windows versions too.
You can also try a little program called "Hijackthis" which can be found here. It checks your running processes and autostarts and IE plugins and such stuff and generates a log-file that you can copy and paste on the website I linked to get some results on what it found out.
But be aware that there is everything in the logfile - not just malware! So don't go and fix everything rightaway...
You can also get help on their forums I think - never used the forum myself so far. The fixing of found malware is not always successful but at least you get an idea if there might be trouble around and where it might be located.
Ad-Aware and SpyBot can do such jobs too, but from my experience they don't find all bad stuff in case your system is really ... well ... sick ...
Check out the Norton site. They do a removal tool, which will help eradicate the pollutant.
I have 28 processes running on mine, but that includes stuff like Fraps, UltraMon, Teamspeak etc.
Laptops often need more processes to do hardware related management of batteries, screen overlays and function key drivers etc.
Regarding Windows processes, there's a lot of stuff running by default that you probably don't need. It can certainly free up some memory when you strip it down a bit.
Take a look here for example: http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm
It's a big read and it takes some time to configure stuff but it's worth the trouble I think.
oh, and ditto on Norton. It's total crap, don't use it
Take a look here for example: http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm
It's a big read and it takes some time to configure stuff but it's worth the trouble I think.
oh, and ditto on Norton. It's total crap, don't use it
when repairing peoples pc's which I ocasionally do , I usually run MSCONFIG and untick everything in the startup section then after a reboot its easyer to see any processes that belong to the user and prioritize after that .
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If you're not running something obviously resource-heavy in the background, i'd say this is probably the very last place to look for 0.1 extra fps.
Does Norton still tell you to turn off System Restore?
That's possibly the worst possible thing you could ever do to a PC. It's the only thing that keeps Windows useable. It's terrible advise from Norton, and justifies the software place in my most hated and most useless biggest piece of con artist rip off crapware ever conceived.
Since Dr. Norton himself sold out, it's just aweful. Although perhaps not quite as much of a con as the half a dozen or so anti-virus solutions available on OSX for the first 8 years - which is how long it took for the first virus to appear...
The systems security industry is littered with malpractice. Virus' & malware that advise you your computer is infected and that you should buy certain software to remove it etc. Norton is the legitimate face of this business, but as Norton has never sucessfully removed a virus from the 20 or more infected machines i've tried to use it on - and as Norton turned off the System Restore feature which has worked 100% everytime i've used it - I cannot possibly recommend using Norton.
The effect of Norton is to make your system run slower, crash more often, and interupt you whilst playing full screen applications like LFS.
This is also what a virus does.
The choice is yours...
That's possibly the worst possible thing you could ever do to a PC. It's the only thing that keeps Windows useable. It's terrible advise from Norton, and justifies the software place in my most hated and most useless biggest piece of con artist rip off crapware ever conceived.
Since Dr. Norton himself sold out, it's just aweful. Although perhaps not quite as much of a con as the half a dozen or so anti-virus solutions available on OSX for the first 8 years - which is how long it took for the first virus to appear...
The systems security industry is littered with malpractice. Virus' & malware that advise you your computer is infected and that you should buy certain software to remove it etc. Norton is the legitimate face of this business, but as Norton has never sucessfully removed a virus from the 20 or more infected machines i've tried to use it on - and as Norton turned off the System Restore feature which has worked 100% everytime i've used it - I cannot possibly recommend using Norton.
The effect of Norton is to make your system run slower, crash more often, and interupt you whilst playing full screen applications like LFS.
This is also what a virus does.
The choice is yours...
I turn off system restore before I do anything else to my PC. I have never needed it, and I don't like it hogging resources on my PC.
I also use Norton AV. I have never had a virus, I notice no fps gain when/if I turn it off, it never interrupts a full screen movie or game, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. The only trouble I have is when I want to host an rFactor server (not that I plan on doing that ever again, but I did a few times in the past) I had to turn off the firewall bit cos it would always forget that I had allowed rFactor.
I've tried other AV solutions, and I personally just don't get on with them.
Oh, and Norton has never ever caused a crash, or been a suspect in causing another program to crash. I'm using 2005 at the moment, maybe the latest version is buggy?
I also use Norton AV. I have never had a virus, I notice no fps gain when/if I turn it off, it never interrupts a full screen movie or game, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. The only trouble I have is when I want to host an rFactor server (not that I plan on doing that ever again, but I did a few times in the past) I had to turn off the firewall bit cos it would always forget that I had allowed rFactor.
I've tried other AV solutions, and I personally just don't get on with them.
Oh, and Norton has never ever caused a crash, or been a suspect in causing another program to crash. I'm using 2005 at the moment, maybe the latest version is buggy?
When I recieved my Laptop and started my usual net-applications Norton told me that all hell broke loose and all kinds of worm-attacks by "Xchat", "Miranda" and "Firefox" had been repelled. I concluded that the only malware on my System was Norton and did a format C: to get a Norton-safe system.
Norton is malware. Full stop.
Vain
Norton is malware. Full stop.
Vain
lol nice
Lot's of responses, good. 
Using HijackThis and the link Christian Seidel posted, I've identified what all the processes are. I knew some of them were Norton crap, it came installed on my computer. I don't use it (at least I'm trying not to). I've tried turning it off when I first purchased this computer, but it keeps popping back up. I can't uninstall it as it tells me I need to be some sort of Norton logged on administrator to do that (LOL, I've never turned it on and want it off, but it doesn't allow me too
illepall ).
I didn't expect any of them to be malware. The only thing I do online at home is race LFS, fly FS2004 at wspilots.com, and visit the forums. So, I don't really have a problem with spyware and/or malware ever. I just wanted to identify them and see what they were and if I could disable some of them.
Someone mentioned msconfig here. I found somewhere that suggested a more indepth look at processes. Instead of msconfig, use services.msc. There is a processes tab there that allows you to configure how they startup (automatic, manual, and disable). I've been able to disable all the Norton crap as well as some other stuff. I'm now down to 25 processes.
I know with 1 gig of ram, this isn't much to be shutting down processes. I just wanted to streamline stuff to maximize framerates until I'm able to pick up a graphics card (AMD 64 3500 + onboard graphics =illepall , I know 
).
I hope some others will be able to use all this info as well, especially the hijackthis log. Even if it's not malware you're worried about, it helps to identify unneccessary processes which you can then go in and disable.
Using HijackThis and the link Christian Seidel posted, I've identified what all the processes are. I knew some of them were Norton crap, it came installed on my computer. I don't use it (at least I'm trying not to). I've tried turning it off when I first purchased this computer, but it keeps popping back up. I can't uninstall it as it tells me I need to be some sort of Norton logged on administrator to do that (LOL, I've never turned it on and want it off, but it doesn't allow me too
illepall ). I didn't expect any of them to be malware. The only thing I do online at home is race LFS, fly FS2004 at wspilots.com, and visit the forums. So, I don't really have a problem with spyware and/or malware ever. I just wanted to identify them and see what they were and if I could disable some of them.
Someone mentioned msconfig here. I found somewhere that suggested a more indepth look at processes. Instead of msconfig, use services.msc. There is a processes tab there that allows you to configure how they startup (automatic, manual, and disable). I've been able to disable all the Norton crap as well as some other stuff. I'm now down to 25 processes.
I know with 1 gig of ram, this isn't much to be shutting down processes. I just wanted to streamline stuff to maximize framerates until I'm able to pick up a graphics card (AMD 64 3500 + onboard graphics =
illepall , I know ).I hope some others will be able to use all this info as well, especially the hijackthis log. Even if it's not malware you're worried about, it helps to identify unneccessary processes which you can then go in and disable.
Yep, Norton's always been a pig to get off your system. Even when you've uninstalled it, and used the Norton removal tool, there's usually some rubbish left.
You usually have to go into the registry and manually delete entries, which isn't something you should need to do, and isn't something you should be doing unless you know what you're doing.
You usually have to go into the registry and manually delete entries, which isn't something you should need to do, and isn't something you should be doing unless you know what you're doing.
For a deeper look into this stuff you might want to have a look at www.sysinternals.com . They have a lot of nice little helper-tools around there, a lot of them completely freeware. In your case "Autoruns" and "Process Explorer" might be kinda handy.
As the name already implies, "Autoruns" is a tool that lists all of your autoruns sorted by the place they are started at - and I mean really all, and not only what "msconfig" gives you. And of course you can disable or delete all of them to your liking. BUT: be very careful if you do so! Autoruns doesn't give you any hint if the autoruns listed are necessary for windows to run! You could easily render your windows unbootable if you don't know what you're doing!
And the "Process Explorer" is an advanced kind of the windows task manager. It shows you all running processes and everything these processes are using during runtime, be it files or whatever. You can of course kill running processes with the Process Explorer but you can also kill a single handle of a given process. This can be very useful if you want to delete some kind of leftover files from an uninstalled programm, because sometimes windows doesn't let you delete it since some process might still have access to the file to be deleted. I think nearly every windows user experienced this sometimes - you want to delete a file but some windows task is still using it for no reason and so you can't delete it because windows won't let you delete a file that is being used. With Process explorer you can search for the handle and you don't need to kill the whole process but you can kill only the handle and then delete the file.
You can even configure the Process Explorer to replace the standard windows task manager, so that pressinf Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't bring up the windows task manager but the process explorer.
Both tools are not to be installed, they are run by just executing the *.exe-file, so your system stays clean.
As the name already implies, "Autoruns" is a tool that lists all of your autoruns sorted by the place they are started at - and I mean really all, and not only what "msconfig" gives you. And of course you can disable or delete all of them to your liking. BUT: be very careful if you do so! Autoruns doesn't give you any hint if the autoruns listed are necessary for windows to run! You could easily render your windows unbootable if you don't know what you're doing!
And the "Process Explorer" is an advanced kind of the windows task manager. It shows you all running processes and everything these processes are using during runtime, be it files or whatever. You can of course kill running processes with the Process Explorer but you can also kill a single handle of a given process. This can be very useful if you want to delete some kind of leftover files from an uninstalled programm, because sometimes windows doesn't let you delete it since some process might still have access to the file to be deleted. I think nearly every windows user experienced this sometimes - you want to delete a file but some windows task is still using it for no reason and so you can't delete it because windows won't let you delete a file that is being used. With Process explorer you can search for the handle and you don't need to kill the whole process but you can kill only the handle and then delete the file.
You can even configure the Process Explorer to replace the standard windows task manager, so that pressinf Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't bring up the windows task manager but the process explorer.
Both tools are not to be installed, they are run by just executing the *.exe-file, so your system stays clean.
Background processes?
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