dont know but i do know Honda dont sell them from their dealerships over here in UK, you have to have them imported.

doh. they probably wouldn't be willing to import a car for a 15 year old, but i can dream

I like push to pass, I just dislike F1's implementation of it - not the fact some cars have it and some dont, but the fact that it gets refreshed every lap so that every lap it can be used at the 1 or 2 places an overtake is possible - making it a bit redundant as a push to pass concept and just a car that goes a bit quicker in passing places.

Formula Palmer was the first series I know that implemented it, introducing a boost button you should press 3 times during the [short] race which gave you 10 seconds of power.

I would like a system which runs for a fixed amount of time during the race, or can be used X number of times during the race, so that it's usage becomes strategic and it achieves it's purpose - creating overtakes out on the circuit.

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Ever since the BTCC moved away from being a field comprised entirely of Andy Rouse tuned Ford Sierra's i've enjoyed the mix of cars, particularly the hatches races alongside saloons. I like that the cars appear to be regular road going cars (although of course it's just a body shell) and I like that it is a mix.

The NGTC specification might end up returning us to an era of grids full of identical looking cars, and I hope that does not happen.

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At £100k for a car including engine and running gear, that's not bad for a major championship, it's an amount of money that at least does not feel inconceiveable to raise given it's a televised championship with a huge following. Can't fault that really.

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I dont give a damned about RWD/FWD. It's a series of road car racing, most road cars are FWD

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I dont give a damned about diesel. Only rep's drive diesels. (Mind you, the way Plato drives....)

£18,000 plus shipping costs etc. for importing, then registering it so i would suspect it would cost about £25k

Quote from Becky Rose :

I like push to pass, I just dislike F1's implementation of it - not the fact some cars have it and some dont, but the fact that it gets refreshed every lap so that every lap it can be used at the 1 or 2 places an overtake is possible - making it a bit redundant as a push to pass concept and just a car that goes a bit quicker in passing places.

Formula Palmer was the first series I know that implemented it, introducing a boost button you should press 3 times during the [short] race which gave you 10 seconds of power.

I would like a system which runs for a fixed amount of time during the race, or can be used X number of times during the race, so that it's usage becomes strategic and it achieves it's purpose - creating overtakes out on the circuit.

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Ever since the BTCC moved away from being a field comprised entirely of Andy Rouse tuned Ford Sierra's i've enjoyed the mix of cars, particularly the hatches races alongside saloons. I like that the cars appear to be regular road going cars (although of course it's just a body shell) and I like that it is a mix.

The NGTC specification might end up returning us to an era of grids full of identical looking cars, and I hope that does not happen.

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At £100k for a car including engine and running gear, that's not bad for a major championship, it's an amount of money that at least does not feel inconceiveable to raise given it's a televised championship with a huge following. Can't fault that really.

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I dont give a damned about RWD/FWD. It's a series of road car racing, most road cars are FWD

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I dont give a damned about diesel. Only rep's drive diesels.

It will give the youngsters a chance of racing aswell because why spend £100k on a season in Clio's when you can do BTCC for the same

well said becky, i agree it works in formula palmer audi, i think on fpa it gives you a 10 second boost unless you lift of the throttle or change gera(eith up or down) so really is strategic, and lol about the plato bit

very true trebor, if that is the case the clio levels may drop and the clio cup get pelaced in the suport timetable, hopefully by the legends, because tbh i think they would be a great btcc support series, although i do like the clios

Clio's have been there for so long i cant see them going any time soon

Sounds like Touring Cars are going back to their 90s saloon heyday then! FWD only is good, means the drivers can go all out without having to keep the rear in check.

Bring back the Fiesta support cup, I reckon.

I hope these rules can make the BTCC grid bigger, and bring back some of the works teams too. Would be awesome to see those 80's-90's-style scraps again!

the grids are pretty big as it is, 24 cars.

Quote from trebor901 :

the grids are pretty big as it is, 24 cars.

not all of those cars are able to win the race though, in the 90's every car stood a chance, even derek warrick in a vectra won a race iirc, and mansell in a mondeo, you would see erkut, or what ever his name is, winning a race now

I don't think Peugeot ever won a race in the TOCA 2 era did they?

Quote from boothy :

I don't think Peugeot ever won a race in the TOCA 2 era did they?

well apart from that, it did lead a race a few times

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BTCC was dominated by FWD cars because of the rules since the old 4WD domination. ...

Corrected for you. When Audi introduced their 4WD quatro cars in to national racing series across Europe it blew away all the competition, RWD included. The cars were promptly given heavy weight penalties but still kept wining, so in 1998 the FIA banned the drive system.

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not all of those cars are able to win the race though, in the 90's every car stood a chance, even derek warrick in a vectra won a race iirc, and mansell in a mondeo, you would see erkut, or what ever his name is, winning a race now

The Living Legend that is Erkut Kizilirmak is no longer in the BTCC, but bear in mind that there are more rank amateurs in the BTCC now. One thing that should be considered is doing what GT racing does and give weight breaks to drivers who are considered amateurs - there is a several grade system. Maybe a break to drivers that that have not held a paid drive and are over 35 ...

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BMW wouldn't switch to FWD, they'd leave.

BMW still has that MINI option..

I can see the ban on diesels but banning RWD and that Silly push to pass thing is rediculous..

BMW could use it as an opportunity to promote the 1 series, which can't be very popular because it's a front wheel drive BMW.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

BMW could use it as an opportunity to promote the 1 series, which can't be very popular because it's a front wheel drive BMW.

Umm.. Are you serious?

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well apart from that, it did lead a race a few times

It lead when Paul Radisich decided not to make his pitstop til the last possible moment; he lead a lap but was caught by the leaders pretty much instantly, and ended up getting turned around in one particular race

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

BMW could use it as an opportunity to promote the 1 series, which can't be very popular because it's a front wheel drive BMW.

*cough*

If you were kidding, then i apologize, but its actually RWD.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

BMW could use it as an opportunity to promote the 1 series, which can't be very popular because it's a front wheel drive BMW.

there's currently a 1 Series in BTCC and i cant catagorically tell you that it is rear drive as all BMW's are.

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there's currently a 1 Series in BTCC and i cant catagorically tell you that it is rear drive as all BMW's are.

:doh: It was 2am and I was tired, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. (I think I got confused with the Mercedes A Class)

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it is rear drive as all BMW's are.

That's odd, whilst i'm sure some ricer somewhere has made a rear wheel drive Mini i'm damn sure they come off the production line with their little front wheel spinning it up and Herbie horns going off.

They've also made quite a lot of AWD and 4WD vehicles, and a two wheel drive motorbike, all of these configurations require the front wheels to be driven also.

Further, in wartime i'm pretty sure the Fokke Wulfe 190 airplane could only be described as "driven by the big propeller at the front".

Although in their defence, in my desperation to dig up pre-war archives and mock the marque for having once produced a front wheel drive road car I went as far back as the 20's and even then they where using a front engined rear wheel drive layout for most of their cars, with the only exceptions being a few of the 'bubble cars' produced in the 50's having a rear engine/rear driven wheel layout.

So just the Mini stands out then, which of course they dont actually put the BMW badge on... but they've managed to forge such strong links between themselves and the Mini brand, it's hard to argue that it's not a Beemer.

the mini of today doesnt deserve to be called a Mini, its too big and fat

It may be big, but it really is a fantastic car to drive. I think it could be a good car for the BTCC if it was ever introduced.