Quote from MadCat360 :

When it'll happen is anyone's guess. It won't happen tomorrow though.

Personally, I hope they expand the team when the time comes, because I like LFS a lot and I'd like to see it continue on for many years, growing all the while.

Why would they? The make LFS because it allows them to work without these 'teams'. As soon as they employ more staff the whole reason to make LFS stops instantly.

Things change of course, and Scavier might change their mind on the matter, but as it stands I don't see LFS becoming a bigger team. It's a 3-man indie project and will almost certainly always remain so. If that doesn't give results you enjoy then move on. There are always big team, mass market games to play like Gran Turismo that have all the fancy stuff you crave.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Why everybody has to ofend Demo racers.
Some of them were with LFS for ages before they actually bought it and not everybody has to register on the forum as soon as he started playing it. Dont let the the demo racer speaking here....thats the really best idea. The feedback unless its total bullshit makes this game going forward.

Your reply was non-sense.
Just try to thinking more next time.

Well im not the kind of guy that usually has a go on demo racers (check my history if you don't trust me). As for the context, it was not non-sense thus it was only directed to the two demo racers who where, just like you complaining and basically forecasting that LFS is going down the toilet. So if you think it was non-sense then i can live with that.

Quote from mlekodukye :

you guys who are complaining about the next release being postponed, you got too spoilt by the industry of entertainment and the whole time-is-money and cash-rules-everything-around-us philosophy and all such carnegian sht.



the developers have obviously chose the way minority of people choose nowadays: try not to get involved too much in THE SYSTEM. that's why they prefer working this way, at their homes and under no external pressure excepting people on this forum.



if you share their views on life, stay and show your support, and if you don't, go play some shiny gigapolygonal cinematic-fx fashionable trendy simulator of you being the cool driver of a luxury car so wanted by chicks

Well put man. Thats what im talking about.

Quote from mlekodukye :

blah blah blah

Well you have only been here over a year so you are still enjoying lfs when most people have been here alot longer and done almost every combo in lfs which gets boring quickly plus there have been no offical new content for over a year which is taking the piss really.

I am sorry, but I have to agree with that. Lisenced user from 08 comes telling people that have been here maybe 4 or even 5 years longer than him to stop asking questions / complain about the development.. We'll ask him the same question in 2013

Tell me about it...

Actually I 100% support the devs and their actions (uhh.. unless they go off and kill someone, I support that 0%) anyways, I think the devs chose a good time to slow things down, for me.. personally, it slowed down as I got into college, and here 2 years later not much has happened to LFS since then so .. really.. I haven't missed anything which is good for me I suppose!

It's not so much that I've dropped off from enjoying LFS, it's that.. I can't get my damn wheel to fit to any of these new desks with a quarter inch lip! BAH!!

all these threads would be here regardless of whether the devs said the scirocarioca would be out ages ago or not. it's been a year without anything so people are naturally going to be wondering whats going on. hey look at the bright side, when it finally comes out, we will have a classic car in lfs and nobody to race against

Quote from The Very End :

I am sorry, but I have to agree with that. Lisenced user from 08 comes telling people that have been here maybe 4 or even 5 years longer than him to stop asking questions / complain about the development is funny. We'll ask him the same question in 2013

It's about those who fail to understand the concept, regardless the facts that are available or how many times one tries to explain them, while at the same time having the nerve to complain about it. I wonder whats worse actually, those who are around for a considerably long time and still don't get it or those who just joined recently.

That's what i meant when saying: "Can it get any more pathetic than this?"

Or is it just me missing something here?

Well, I'll somewhat agree on that, if the person totally fails to understand, and just do undiscussable / unconstructive critism over and over again.
Well, but I guess it will be hard generalize it, but needs to be seen/judget from person to person.

You're right. Generalization in most cases is likely to fail.

Quote from XCNuse :

It's not so much that I've dropped off from enjoying LFS, it's that.. I can't get my damn wheel to fit to any of these new desks with a quarter inch lip! BAH!!

It sounds like it time to make yourself a racing cockpit I've nearly completed one for myself and I can say it definitely adds life!

Quote from XCNuse :

Tell me about it...

Actually I 100% support the devs and their actions

Sure you do, you're a modertor

In fact the problem isn't the devs... It's a choice that is, in my opinion, wrong.

Quote from Test Patch Forum :

Changes in TEST PATCH Z13 :

New message from host replaces "Did not receive guest info"
Progress indicator for skin downloads while joining a host
Improved order of sort by version number in List of Hosts
Unlock screen clear button to remove name and password
Direction to turn is shown when leaving pit garage
Blue and yellow flags removed from cruise mode
Removed Español Latino translation

FIX : LFS could crash when many cars were in view (e.g. during MPR)
FIX : Vista 64 power save switched off monitor in full screen mode
FIX : No response in List of Hosts after failing to join a host
FIX : Lightmap (lighting on cars) was positioned inaccurately
FIX : Follower view angle setting changed when LFS restarted
FIX : Closing X connects (message in List of Hosts screen)
FIX : Shine on wheels flickered while editing wheel colour
FIX : ABS now works in reverse

KNOWN ISSUES :

LX4 number plate goes through spare tyre

Changes from Z to Z10 :

Updated wheels on Formula BMW
Implemented ABS brakes in XRG / RB4 / FXO / XRT / FZ5
Improved wheel drawing system including rotating brake discs
Improved shadows - sharper and ambient shadow effect now included
InSim : New packets to start / search replays and take screenshots
InSim : Traction Control and ABS are now reported in IS_NPL packet
FIX : Mouse steering was stuck on full lock after minimising window
FIX : Player name was wrong in entry screen on entry or after replay
FIX : Added checks to prevent guests joining with no user name or ID
FIX : OOS starting race after joining autocross host in entry screen

Changes in TEST PATCH Z10 :

FIX : Mouse steering was stuck on full lock after minimising window

KNOWN ISSUES :

LX4 number plate goes through spare tyre
Flickering wheel colour when changing rim colour

Changes in TEST PATCH Z9 :

FIX : Online statistics were not sent to LFS World
FIX : Random FZ5 setups were saved to the setups folder
FIX : View shake system missed high frequency information

Changes in TEST PATCH Z8 :

ATTEMPTED FIX : Flickering shadow outline on some graphics drivers

Changes in TEST PATCH Z7 :

InSim : Traction Control and ABS are now reported in IS_NPL packet
FIX : Setup related multiplayer OOS bugs affecting test patch users

Changes in TEST PATCH Z6 :

ABS brakes removed from XF GTI
FIX : Crash in D3D8.dll (related to shadows)

Changes in TEST PATCH Z5 :

New language included : Español Latino (still need to add a flag)
FIX : Crash on closing LFS from multiplayer while tyres displayed
FIX : Shadow stretching bug on some graphics cards

Changes in TEST PATCH Z4 :

FIX : Polygon errors seen on some graphics cards
FIX : It was impossible to join an online race with a demo car

Changes in TEST PATCH Z3 :

Updated wheels on Formula BMW
Implemented ABS brakes in XFG / XRG / RB4 / FXO / XRT / FZ5
Improved wheel drawing system including rotating brake discs
Improved shadows - sharper and ambient shadow effect now included
InSim : New packets to start / search replays and take screenshots
FIX : Player name was wrong in entry screen on entry or after replay
FIX : Added checks to prevent guests joining with no user name or ID
FIX : OOS starting race after joining autocross host in entry screen

Changes in TEST PATCH Y32 :

Included Bulgarian training lessons
Slightly brighter red is now used for shift lights
FIX : Auto saved first time intro replay was obsolete
FIX : An issue in the unlocked status detection system
FIX : Some in-game text was displayed in car selection screen
FIX : Z clipping problem when looking sideways in XFG with FOV @ 90
FIX : Message spamming if unlock level insufficient for cars in grid
FIX : In some rare cases SHIFT+U mode did not move with an arrow key
FIX : It was possible to join a race with same name as an AI driver
FIX : SHIFT+U mode view position moved on entering player options
FIX : It was possible to partially enter pits from SHIFT+U mode


Changes in TEST PATCH Y31 :

Included Bulgarian translation
ENTER key now works as "unlock" in the unlocking screen
Various fixes for graphical model errors in XF / XR / FOX / FO8
Small improvements to default setups of XR Turbo / XR GTR / XF GTR
Text on racing dashboards is now all English (was mixed languages)
FIX : Changing gear shift type while driving made SPR go out of sync


Changes in TEST PATCH Y30 :

Updated interiors in XF and XR (GTR and road) cars
Formula XR and Formula V8 also have updated interiors
Wind speeds and variations are now more moderate / less wild
Moved and lowered centre of gravity in GTR cars for better handling
Lowered centre of gravity and updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4
FIX : FPS display could overlap editor keys in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : RB4 dashboard went wrong in left hand drive mode
FIX : User could spam TCP requests causing overload

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes in TEST PATCH Y20 :

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
MPR fast forwarding is now approximately five times quicker
Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
Replay controls appear when mouse is over them or start of replay
Connections / race positions / pedals are visible beside controls
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : Slider action is now cancelled on pressing ESC, T, etc.
FIX : Replay controls appeared for a moment at start of intro
FIX : Replay controls were shown during training lesson replay
FIX : Replay OOS error now breaks out of fast forwarding state
FIX : Mirror position correction was missed in load of most cars
FIX : Escape from car select screen resulted in black backgrounds
FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Sky / sea / default ground was black with wide screen effect
FIX : SHIFT+U visible objects list is now updated after forwarding
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : Error message spamming when moving a default setup slider bar
FIX : Mouse look deactivated if mouse available (even if invisible)


Changes from Y to Y19 :

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible with mouse at bottom of screen
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR

Licensed demo racers system :

Demo racers now need a user name and GAME password to go online
Unified List of Hosts - S2 users can all Demo / S1 / S2 hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts running Demo / S1 content
Demo racers now automatically download skins (but can't upload)

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Translatable lesson names - start text file with @Lesson Name
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City

Graphics :

Reduced stray pixels at edges of textures
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)

Multiplayer :

Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Misc :

All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI now correctly limited when using the /ai command

Right, nothing really happend. Besides that, who needs an optimised, bug free and stable product if you can have tons of new content right?

(this is just from the last year and most likely just a fraction of the actual change log)

But who tells you I'm talking about devlopment speed?
I'm only talking about progress report, communication...

yep.

progress and communication must BE.

-_-

Mostly fixes if I am not blind.

Good work to be honest but not much changing anyway. I am here from start of LFS being made public so I understand the concept here, its just getting started boring.
There are some areas where things should be accelerated rather then happening nothing at least how i see that.

Maybe Scawen is working on something really inovative, new what ever good but the most thing which I am not happy its the way they comunicated. It simply got worst. Not everybody have time going thru all the hread to find out that Scawen or someone else from the devs team posted something new or at least some feedback. This should be on the main LFS page. When someone new to LFS enter the main page will thing if there is really happening something and its not getting to be a bit of abononed project by devs.

The one thing is which devs never were able to do right in my eyes how to advertise this project in good way.

Thats my last post in this thread because people are getting bashed for their opinion, for being "black or white". As always and this is really sad.

No way I am going to contribute on this more.

Quote from Sir moi 407 :

But who tells you I'm talking about devlopment speed?
I'm only talking about progress report, communication...

I can assure you that my previous comment was not directed at you in particular. Besides that, i've already made a statement regarding your comment and i'm not going to repeat myself over and over again on this matter.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

so I understand the concept here

Sorry, but you don't. That's just my opinion of course.


(<- me) /thread

Quote from Glenn67 :

It sounds like it time to make yourself a racing cockpit I've nearly completed one for myself and I can say it definitely adds life!

Well I'm kinda in the midst of college right now? So.. a portable .. takes 0 space cockpit, I mean if someone would lend a hand in warping the space time continuum for me to make something that can weigh nothing and take zero space until I hit a magical button that would be fantastic!

Plus I have nowhere to put it

One day I will make one.. one day..

Quote from XCNuse :

Well I'm kinda in the midst of college right now? So.. a portable .. takes 0 space cockpit, I mean if someone would lend a hand in warping the space time continuum for me to make something that can weigh nothing and take zero space until I hit a magical button that would be fantastic!

Plus I have nowhere to put it

One day I will make one.. one day..

Lerts can maybe do something, he did some science on wormholes and time/space modification.

Quote from The Very End :

Lerts can maybe do something, he did some science on wormholes and time/space modification.

Lerts physics only apply in Lerts world, and from his posts I don't think there's enough room left in his head to move in a race frame.

I wish people would stop talking about patches and development speed, and talk about what the point of this thread was since the beginning. Communication (or lack of it). I remember a recent post by Scawen saying they didn't give us updates on what they're working on, because of a vocal minority of moaners. By not giving us anything to look forward too, this is making many many people lose interest in LFS, so basicly, because a minority moans, the majority loses one of the major ways to keep interest? Nice.

I couldn't care less about Sciroccos, etc, etc, what I do care about is knowing that LFS is alive, that things are being worked on, and preferably what is being worked on, even if some of those things will never even be released. That's what keeps people in LFS, and attracts new people.

I really hope the devs listen to this "plea"...

Quote from Bob Smith :

Lerts physics only apply in Lerts world, and from his posts I don't think there's enough room left in his head to move in a race frame.

Aww lol, that's a little Harsh, I loved that little thing, Lerts I mean. Alltho he could be anoying he was at most a funny, messed up person..with a .. alternative veiw on reality.

Well.... from what i´ve heard there will be no more patches for LFS S2 0.5. There will be a new version (0.6). The reason why i thik is that the Z letter is the last in the aplhabet. So after many minor patches like Z10, Z13 or Z64 we can look forward for the new version with scirroco(i probably wrote it wrong, sorry) and some improovements. Just leave the devs some time, dont press on them too much. I wouldn´t like 0.6 to be buggy.So imho thats the reaso why it takes so damn much time.

I can start to see why iRacing has such a closed off community. Very very very smart move You lot are spoilt. Get the benefits of a development battles between sims and some absolute stunning software in the end for relatively low cost.... and yet still complain. I think people need to wake up and take their head out of their arses. if they think they can do it better... please do!

Quote from The Very End :

Aww lol, that's a little Harsh, I loved that little thing, Lerts I mean. Alltho he could be anoying he was at most a funny, messed up person..with a .. alternative veiw on reality.

Lerts didn't have a sense of reality.

That's why I liked him.