Quote from logitekg25 :

because alienware in the US starts around $2000!

Wrong.. the cheapest alienware desktop you can buy is only $799, and it comes with a dual core AMD 2.7ghz, and a new nVidia GTS250, and only 2GB of ram, an alienware instead of Asus mobo, same PSU, etc.

As for your TV, I hope you DO realize that hooking up to an HDTV isn't and never will be as good as a monitor right?

They are slow, and have troubles, and don't have that great resolution at 1920x1080 @ 60hz

Quote from XCNuse :

Wrong.. the cheapest alienware desktop you can buy is only $799, and it comes with a dual core AMD 2.7ghz, and a new nVidia GTS250, and only 2GB of ram, an alienware instead of Asus mobo, same PSU, etc.

As for your TV, I hope you DO realize that hooking up to an HDTV isn't and never will be as good as a monitor right?

They are slow, and have troubles, and don't have that great resolution at 1920x1080 @ 60hz

this sums up your whole post...

Quote from XCNuse :

...and don't have that great resolution at 1920x1080 @ 60hz

lolwut

Quote from XCNuse :

As for your TV, I hope you DO realize that hooking up to an HDTV isn't and never will be as good as a monitor right?

19" "HDTV" = 19" LCD monitor with a freeview box bolted on the back.

Quote from Jakg :

lolwut19" "HDTV" = 19" LCD monitor with a freeview box bolted on the back.

whats bolted on the back of my tv? *walks over to tv to see what is bolted on the back, doesnt find anything*

*facepalm*

It's not really bolted on the box. They just take a PC monitor and add the extra circuitry for a tuner / scart etc inputs on the back.

Exactly, a cheap HDTV is just as good as a cheap monitor. Comparing the two based on whether they have a receiver/decoder/whatever, enabling the device to receive television makes exactly no sense at all. Most cheap monitors and LCD TVs come with TN panels, they don't automatically get worse just because they sit in a TV.

Quote from Jakg :

*facepalm*

It's not really bolted on the box. They just take a PC monitor and add the extra circuitry for a tuner / scart etc inputs on the back.

so it is just a pc moniter with tv capabilities? xcnuse why wont i ever get as good performance? in what way do you mean?

He means in the way that he has no idea what he is talking about.

Quote from Jakg :

He means in the way that he has no idea what he is talking about.

idts, i have heard that somewhere else before, i just thought nothing of it cause it diddnt effect me and i thought it never would

there seems to be a lag, like i turn my wheel and there is a slight delay (very minor) to when the tv displays the turn in the wheel. is that just the wheel sending the signal, the computer being slow, or the tv not meant to be the moniter?

is the slight lag there with a pc moniter too?

Or do I?

HDTV's are very limited, especially depending on their date.

And even more incrisingly depending on their input.

They are also restricted to 60hz refresh rate unless you spend like $500 for a 120hz model, but even then, they are also limited to their response times (which can be okay, to VERY BAD), and for the most part unless you plan on spending seriously $500 don't have good contrast nor colors as compared to today's LCD monitors.. which.. are typically far higher than 1080p, just don't have an internal tv system put in them.

I have no idea. All LCD's have a lag (although we are talking 25ms at most here).

It could well be a low FPS, if your getting like 10 fps or something.

Quote from XCNuse :

They are also restricted to 60hz refresh rate unless you spend like $500 for a 120hz model, but even then, they are also limited to their response times, and for the most part unless you plan on spending seriously $500 don't have goot contrast nor colors as compared to today's LCD monitors.. which.. are typically far higher than 1080p, just don't have an internal tv system put in them.

I'm sorry, what? Most monitors are only 60hz, and 1080P is 1920 x 1080 - which you find on 23 - 24" monitors, only the 16:10 24" or the insanely expensive 30" Dell / Apple screens are higher...

Panasonic use IPS panels in their TV's for example...

Sony's top end Bravia lineup ($1000+) has response still twice what LCD monitors are, at 8 to 10 ms, most LCD HD TVs have response times like you say at 25ms, which is .. a LOT.

LCD Monitors have response times 5ms and under, most are at 3ms.

(you're right about resolution though, so much for CRTs where you could get insane resolutions in small [small is a poor choice of words lol] boxes!)

Most are 8ms without using gimpish technology that ruins the picture.

Why is response time that important? Anything under 16ms is pretty much unnoticable by anyone...

Quote from Jakg :

I have no idea. All LCD's have a lag (although we are talking 25ms at most here).

It could well be a low FPS, if your getting like 10 fps or something.

yea i am only getting around 10-15 fps

Quote from Jakg :

Why is response time that important? Anything under 16ms is pretty much unnoticable by anyone...

These Indy cars are 14ms apart.. It is noticeable.



lol @logitek, have you dropped your settings & resolution as low as they can go???

At 15fps thats a frame every 0.0666.. seconds - which means when you turn the wheel there will be a lag of 0.0666 seconds before it's even shown on screen...

EDIT - What an utterly stupid comparison. I can't remember the last time my monitor was going at 200MPH. There is a lag at every stage of using a computer - the 16ms response time has been shown in double blind (yeah I know...) testing to be unnoticable by most people.

uhhhhh...sounds about right

Sure if you have all your lights off etc.

why do you think they run movie film at a low 24.8 or whatever 24.xxx FPS?
Why do you think they have the lights off/dim?

it's to slow all the response times down to make the movie look normal and smooth, if they played the movies at those FPS but in a bright room, it would be very easy to tell the difference in FPS.

Same with hz and refresh rates, check them in your peripheral where your eyes are most sensitive to light and movement, and you can see a hella difference between them all. I can at least.

What point are you even trying to make any more?

You can't compare response rate to FPS, in the same way you can't compare the speed of a car to the speed of a monitor...

Quote from Jakg :

What point are you even trying to make any more?

You can't compare response rate to FPS, in the same way you can't compare the speed of a car to the speed of a monitor...

Some people can and some people can't.

My point is there is a difference.

But really in the end.. you can't fix 15 FPS

I remember back when I started playing demo in July 03 I was dealing with like 18fps on average, it was miserable! Then I got interested in people saying how you can really only 'see' 25FPS but even that isn't true you can actually see a difference all the way up to 100FPS @60hz.. good times. Then I got a different graphics cards and I averaged like.. mid/low 30s FPS, even that was annoying. Then I got my laptop and it runs at 60FPS flat. But.. I would much rather buy a new computer or something for my car than spend $500 for a top of the line graphics cards in laptops from... 4 years ago.. yes it's about 1000% more powerful than mine but.. not worth the money!

Quote from XCNuse :

Sure if you have all your lights off etc.

why do you think they run movie film at a low 24.8 or whatever 24.xxx FPS?
Why do you think they have the lights off/dim?

it's to slow all the response times down to make the movie look normal and smooth, if they played the movies at those FPS but in a bright room, it would be very easy to tell the difference in FPS.

Same with hz and refresh rates, check them in your peripheral where your eyes are most sensitive to light and movement, and you can see a hella difference between them all. I can at least.

so if i shut my light off while i play lfs, it will be less bad looking

It may seem.. to help
if that makes any sense?

But the response times etc. will still be just as bad.

I mean it won't help a ton, but it trick your mind into thinking its a bit faster, but being that slow anyways.. it won't be easy.

are your LOD settings all the way down and mipmap down? mipmap can make like 10 FPS difference!

Also make sure your texture setting for half size is ON.

As I always say, polys are easy to render, textures.. are not.

Quote from XCNuse :

It may seem.. to help
if that makes any sense?

But the response times etc. will still be just as bad.

I mean it won't help a ton, but it trick your mind into thinking its a bit faster, but being that slow anyways.. it won't be easy.

are your LOD settings all the way down and mipmap down? mipmap can make like 10 FPS difference!

Also make sure your texture setting for half size is ON.

As I always say, polys are easy to render, textures.. are not.

ok i did the lod settings all the way down, but no idea what you mean by 'mipmap' and cant find the 'texture setting for half size'

mip bias, its in graphics, actually I think you put them all the way to the right

textures it says compressed or full, choose compressed.

also go to misc settings and raise the user LOD (or lower, I cant remember if its backwards or not)

also turn off the sky (draw sky set to off)
turn visible trees off.

that should get you up a good bit.