Quote from Victor :

Email reply has come from lfstech already on the 9th, explaining why the account cannot be accessed (you're banned).

This is hilarious!

Quote from carey :

I thought it might be something like that. Well nK-pro currently has 45% off (until the end of August), is LFS willing to counter-offer up to 50?

1. nKP isn't worth the normal asking price at the moment, due to bugs and lack of support (though I have my fingers crossed for the current public beta).

2. LFS is worth the normal asking price, as it's being developed (however slowly, but I have my fingers crossed for a particularly lovely patch in a few weeks/months), sin't too buggy, provides a lot of types of driving, a lot of types of car and quite a few track environments.

You can see, I guess, why one is on offer and the other isn't.

Quote from Victor :

Email reply has come from lfstech already on the 9th, explaining why the account cannot be accessed (you're banned).

Hmm, i wonder what he did to get an ingame ban??

Quote from tristancliffe :

1. nKP isn't worth the normal asking price at the moment, due to bugs and lack of support (though I have my fingers crossed for the current public beta).

Hence why I didn’t buy it (but I might now). The new interface looks pretty good, with a decent wheel/pedal calibration tool, that doesn’t need to be repeated four times a fortnight like in LFS! The only downside as a demo user (also) in nKpro’s that with the new beta you can’t load any third party tracks and Monaco no longer works in my original installation.

Quote from tristancliffe :

2. LFS is worth the normal asking price, as it's being developed (however slowly, but I have my fingers crossed for a particularly lovely patch in a few weeks/months)

I’m not there yet. It feels like every time I play LFS something has changed in either my controller or car setup.

Quote from tristancliffe :

You can see, I guess, why one is on offer and the other isn't.

Because the one on offer costs more normally? I think thirty odd quid says that nKpro’s aspirational (hopefully not like race pro), but LFS at £24 stinks of a game that didn’t live up to expectations, although there’s still time to convert me!

You're not saying that the higher price of something says something about how good the game is are you?

I have no problems with having to recalibrate my wheel. Got my G25 a month or so and not touched it sinice I installed it, before that with the DFP probably never touched it for months and months.

Quote from garph :

You're not saying that the higher price of something says something about how good the game is are you?

Not on release, but generally it does eventually correlate with popularity (with the exception of race-pro).

Quote from garph :

I have no problems with having to recalibrate my wheel.

You're lucky then, as I've seen a lot of other people having the same issues (although my throttle sensitivity one seems to be unique).

Quote from carey :

Not on release, but generally it does eventually correlate with popularity (with the exception of race-pro).


You're lucky then, as I've seen a lot of other people having the same issues (although my throttle sensitivity one seems to be unique).

You do see the fairly large flaw in that logic and how you could easily be tricked into buying a shit, expensive game?

I don't know anyone with calibration problems, I can't remember anyone of my group of LFS chums having persistant problems (and it's been a good few years).

I would say you are unlucky to have problems.

Heh, I guess you should be all over iRacing then, since according to its price it's of unbeatable quality in every aspect

But yeah, you seem to be the unlucky one with controller issues. Are you sure none of the files in your LFS folder are write protected? What controller are you using and are you plugging it in before starting LFS? Seriously, my G25 never needs a recalibration, the only thing that's sometimes necessary is turning the wheel lock to lock and pressing all pedals to get the full motion range back (but that has more to do with the G25 firmware than LFS).

Quote from garph :

You do see the fairly large flaw in that logic and how you could easily be tricked into buying a shit, expensive game?

Generally!

Quote from AndroidXP :

Heh, I guess you should be all over iRacing then, since according to its price it's of unbeatable quality in every aspect

GENERALLY!

Quote from AndroidXP :

Are you sure none of the files in your LFS folder are write protected?

I'm not sure.

Quote from AndroidXP :

What controller are you using and are you plugging it in before starting LFS?

Now a G25, but even with my other wheel I had the same problem and I always plug them in before loading the game.

Quote from AndroidXP :

Seriously, my G25 never needs a recalibration, the only thing that's sometimes necessary is turning the wheel lock to lock and pressing all pedals to get the full motion range back (but that has more to do with the G25 firmware than LFS).

Isn't that recalibrating?

Quote from carey :

Isn't that recalibrating?

Yes, yes it is!

My wheel(s) have always been plugged into the computer (USB) I never really unplug it. Only turn the power off at the plug.

I just wouldn't use the cost of a game to determine if it's good or not.

Quote from garph :

I just wouldn't use the cost of a game to determine if it's good or not.

So having found the first three TOCA race drivers in the 'bargain bucket' doesn't tell you anything?

Quote from carey :

Isn't that recalibrating?

I probably used the wrong word when saying "I never need to recalibrate." With that I meant I never have to change anything in LFS or in the Logitech Profiler or anywhere else. I just have to physically get the wheel hardware to recognise its full motion again (mostly it's just the pedals actually).

If that is actually the problem you're unhappy about then you can't be helped I guess, since it takes less than five seconds to do this recalibration. Also it has nothing to do with LFS.

Regarding your price-quality comparison, the pricing model of racing sims is generally not comparable to normal mass market games, simply because they're often a niche product and independently developed. In the case of LFS, the devs don't even have "making lots of money" anywhere near their top priorities, hence there being no price-gauging but also no official advertisement anywhere ever. From their standpoint the price model seems to work reasonably well in supporting them and their families sufficiently, so there's no need for special offers or changes to it in general.

Quote from AndroidXP :

If that is actually the problem you're unhappy about then you can't be helped I guess, since it takes less than five seconds to do this recalibration.

5 seconds when you've gone straight into an online race's a long time!

Quote from AndroidXP :

Regarding your price-quality comparison, the pricing model of racing sims is generally not comparable to normal mass market games, simply because they're often a niche product and independently developed.

Since Sony killed the Genre with their $hitty F1 games. I just think this space's going to become a lot more crowded when Codemasters come back on the scene (if they go old-school and disregard their recent crap incarnations).

I calibrated my wheel a few months ago. I won't need to again until I reinstall everything.

nKP's new calibration tool isn't that clver really. It takes ages for a start. But again, you'll only ever have to do in once.

Quote from tristancliffe :

nKP's new calibration tool isn't that clver really. It takes ages for a start. But again, you'll only ever have to do in once.

I thought that too, but I think it'll be less confusing for a newbie than the old interface.

on the calibration side of things, i have not recalibrated in quite a while,

The only times i ever have needed to is when i have left another controller (PS2 controller or Joystick etc..) plugged in and button / axis assignments are different.

Basically what im saying is as long as you have plugged in the same controllers as you did when you first calibrated your wheel it should not be needed to be done again.

Quote from carey :

5 seconds when you've gone straight into an online race's a long time!

There's your problem. You'd never jump into a real car and onto a live race track without testing if the brakes and steering worked.

Quote from Bob Smith :

There's your problem. You'd never jump into a real car and onto a live race track without testing if the brakes and steering worked.

And it's not recommended out on the public roads either

Quote from Bob Smith :

There's your problem. You'd never jump into a real car and onto a live race track without testing if the brakes and steering worked.

But then a real car (after a night of not being touched) wouldn't have crooked steering and no response from the pedals.

Quote from morpha :

And it's not recommended out on the public roads either

It’s funny you should say that, but I heard a story from an experienced mechanic, about a particular model of car that had a brake fault. Long story short was that people where ploughing into other cars at the first turning, set of lights they came to, which shows that not many people check the brakes when they set off (but if your car was pulling then I think you might stop).

you got more than a problem with just your account

Quote from Victor :

Email reply has come from lfstech already on the 9th, explaining why the account cannot be accessed (you're banned).

Banned for what, i havent done anything wrong. Other then ask for help.
And even after i explained my problem as well as i have proof of purchase you decide to not help but ban my account. Man you guys are kinda on the slow side of helping. I would suggest instead of telling me that you guys are busy and cant help anyone, get someone who can help others while you guys work. Ya theres alot of us to be helped but theres no reason why you cant help help alot us.

Reason for the ban was becuase people all over the world are using the account. Thats great that you guys finaly figured that one out. Im glad, i mean its only been a year since i told you guys its been hacked into and i cant access my account. So for however i am banned for all i got to say is when i get it back can you please fix the dang account and put the original password on it so i can have my account back, otherwise i have to buy a new one in which i know (by law) if perma-banned for reason not caused by owner, i can ask for at minimum a quarter of what i paid back. I baught this account i think in 2007 or so. Iv used it for 5 months... and either way im not a person to fight for this but when its not my fault and the your saying it is, thats kinda messed up.

So i ask yet again can you help me get my account back? Once the ban is over?

...can I ask by law why you deserve 1 quarter of the cost back?

Remember US law doesn't apply in this case.

Quote from Jakg :

...can I ask by law why you deserve 1 quarter of the cost back?

Remember US law doesn't apply in this case.

Well why dont you give me 50$ for your account and ill only let you play it for mm a few months. And i know US law doesnt matter here. Im just explaining things, as well as no one deserves alot, if so then everyone would deserve something...

spamming the forums isn't going to get you anywhere... take it to email for god's sake...