reading some twitts from Brazilian pilots and press people is always interesting...

apparently the Piquets and some big shot F1 guys are interested in taking Briatore down... and that must not be so hard to do or need any kind of set up, I guess...

also... (off-topic)

based on the mood on twitter:
I would bet on Alonso driving for Ferrari before the end of the year... possibly starting in Monza...
his Renault seat could go to GP2 pilot Lucas di Grassi...

Quote from bahilsom :

reading some twitts from Brazilian pilots and press people is always interesting...

apparently the Piquets and some big shot F1 guys are interested in taking Briatore down... and that must not be so hard to do or need any kind of set up, I guess...

Link?

Quote from bahilsom :

apparently the Piquets and some big shot F1 guys are interested in taking Briatore down... and that must not be so hard to do or need any kind of set up, I guess...

I got this from a twitt by the reporter Vanessa Ruiz:
(original in portuguese)
"Vcs não estão entendendo. Os Piquet, junto com figurões da #F1, estão dispostos a derrubar Briatore. E não precisam inventar histórias..."

which could be translated as:

"You are not understanding. The Piquets, with some big shot F1 guys, are willing to take Briatore down. And they don't need to make things up..."

http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft21745.html

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Meanwhile, Nico's former classmate at primary school has failed to stay the course. On this subject, though, I had expected Renault to have thought twice about firing Nelson Jr mid-season, for a variety of interesting reasons which would have been likely to attract the attention of m'learned friends if I had been rash enough to reveal them here. Let's just say that the Piquet/Renault story is almost certainly unfinished, with some potentially fascinating and possibly even scandalous turns in the road still to come.

this was on August 21 :/

Timing is nice and convenient. Piquet Jnr gets the kick, and then accusations of foul play involving him from last year surfaces...

I call BS on this. Innocent until proven guilty. Flavio's reputation is as clean as soap scum, but even he doesn't deserve to be dragged over hot coals for a crime he did not commit.

It seems far more likely that there are certain factions in and around F1 who wants to see Flavio go down. They've found an ally in disgruntled Nelsinho and are moving to take advantage of it by fabricating some crap about Singapore, and help Nelsinho play the victim even more. The fact that Flavio is not in good terms with the FIA (particularly after he went against Mosley in the 2005 Indy fiasco) plays to their advantage even more. Disgusting.

Quote from Kid222 :

I went on the internet today and i found THIS...

Lost control? Doesn't seem so. Crash practice? Most likely. Flavio, you could be very, very deep in the sh*t now.

I'm sure that was the same place he crashed in the race too....

Quote from BlueFlame :

I'm sure that was the same place he crashed in the race too....

It wasn't.

Quote from amp88 :

It wasn't.

Yea you're right, but it was a strange incident. It's like Piquet just hold full left lock and jammed the throttle down.

A good point, made by someone on the F1Technical forums:

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Here is the chronology of events:

Grid: Alonso 15th (on soft tyres - unlike the rest of the field), Piquet 16th
Lap 1: Alonso is up to 10th
Lap 12: Alonso pits to get rid of his soft tyres
Lap 15: Piquet crashes, safety car brought out. Barrichello and two Red Bulls pit prior to pitlane closing
Lap 16: Kubica & Rosberg both need to pit under a closed pitlane
Lap 17: Massa pits, problems with procedure means he drags the fuel hose out on early release. Plummets to dead last
Lap 18: Race order - Rosberg, Trulli, Fisichella
Lap 27: Kubica in for penalty
Lap 29: Rosberg in (from lead) for penalty
Half distance: Trulli pits, Alonso now takes lead
Lap 50: Sutil crashes, safety car deployed again


So for this master plan to work...

From lap 12, Renault would have had to know that Rosberg would have to take a stop-go for a pitstop that was yet to occur under a safety car that was yet to occur.

They would also have had to know Massa would have destroyed the Ferrari refuelling rig, derailing both his and Raikkonen's races.

That Coulthard would delay Hamilton significantly at a key stage before Alonso's second stop.

Quote from spookthehamster :

A good point, made by someone on the F1Technical forums:

Oh yeah? Well all this reasonable application of logic just won't do when you can clearly see that Piquet's skidmarks are exactly sort of like a segment from an arc that could only possibly be part of a circle or a geometric shape closely resembling one - something that cannot happen in the northern hemisphere. Not until 2012 at least.

Quote from spookthehamster :

A good point, made by someone on the F1Technical forums:

Your justing thinking about the win, points are points remember.

It still has too many 'what-ifs' to guarantee a good place.

We have to remember that this is Piquet, it would have been more suspiscious for him NOT to crash

Quote from spookthehamster :

We have to remember that this is Piquet, it would have been more suspiscious for him NOT to crash

Briatore: "Nelsinho, you have to finish the race. Don't crash this time!"

Piquet: "What?! But, but... that's IMPOSSIBLE!"

* crashes *

I think Piquet Jnr is young enough and stupid enough to do something like this.

Whilst these kind of shennanigans go on all the time in F1 and I dont doubt that there is a very real chance that it could be true. I also am so cynical that I dont think it deserves extra special punishment given the other sporting attrocities the F1 teams commit.

For Piquet Jnr, a driver noteable only for his self belief even after proving to the entire world that he is absolutely rubbish, his career is already over and if he has indeed spilled the beens on this and other bombshells are to follow, then it will not help repair his reputation - which has already been significantly damanged by his on track performances.

hmm....

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/090903120026.shtml

Quote from carey :

Didn't Renault escape punishment for possessing McLaren data (although it was ruled that none of their intellectual property made it into their design).

Yes but McLaren where punished because they had the audacity to put a black man in the car and beat Ferrari. Something which appalled Max Mosley and his independent organisation employed at the time by Ferrari.

In terms of cheating, which in F1 is completely independent of penalties for cheating, I dont think crashing one of your cars out of the race so the other can grab some points is really that bad.

Quote from Becky Rose :

In terms of cheating, which in F1 is completely independent of penalties for cheating, I dont think crashing one of your cars out of the race so the other can grab some points is really that bad.

I kind of agree. If you want your mate to destroy his car to let you win, well, whatever. But the regulations say it's not allowed to crash your car on purpose (and cause a hazardous situation). That to me is the only misconduct in this story and the only real rule that was broken. And that's why i wrote in my previous that it was pretty stupid of Piq to tell (if so he did indeed, I dunno, wasn't there ) because he'd point to a penalty of his own.

either way, we're probably never going to hear anything concrete about this. This can never be proven with hard evidence unless they have a recording of them agreeing to a voluntary crash. But no way will that have happened.

Starting to look like another media frenzy. I wonder if that article above had even a hint of truth in it (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/090903120026.shtml) - where's the evidence? They open with MASSA KNOWS THE TRUTH but then the article only claims someone heard massa say something. Well, I know how THAT goes ahaha. I want to see video or listen to conspiracy tapes! ... No? Don't have that? Well, blah then

Quote from Victor :

I kind of agree. If you want your mate to destroy his car to let you win, well, whatever. But the regulations say it's not allowed to crash your car on purpose (and cause a hazardous situation). That to me is the only misconduct in this story and the only real rule that was broken. And that's why i wrote in my previous that it was pretty stupid of Piq to tell (if so he did indeed, I dunno, wasn't there ) because he'd point to a penalty of his own.

I believe that once the results are classified then they are fixed, and that is part of every championships rule to prevent situations like this where events are long ago and do not really matter anymore.

If the result for instance would have a bearing on the championship that year, it's a bit late to go rewriting the history book.

If we're going to do that, then i'd seriously like to look into the Schumacher-Hill incident at Adelaide, because that one was blatant and unpunished!

So I really don't think anything is going to come of this.

Regarding the alleged regulation breach, well, I don't think anybody here is under the impression the FIA is even remotely consistent, and as much as i'm a fan of the sport I accept that it's sporting integrity is about as intact as the reputation of the driver in question, and I really can't bring myself to get out of my pram over an irrellevent incident from last year. I just don't see the point.

There is too much money in F1 for it not to be corrupt.

Quote from Becky Rose :

I think Piquet Jnr is young enough and stupid enough to do something like this.

didn't think kind of stuff happen in nascar all the time? ie: people speeding out the pits and ramming into cars (or other aggressive wrecking)? or am i just recalling shitty movies?

Quote from carey :

No, just Montoya's career

Boooo. :thumbsdow

I nominate this for worst post of the year.

Quote from carey :

What about at the end of this clip.

That's Nascar, the only way it's ever interesting is if stuff like that happens, he was just giving the fans what they wanted.

Quote from Stigpt :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojfR3xS8FA

LMAO Thank You for that

Quote from stigpt :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojfr3xs8fa

rofl.