I think a lot of you are looking to sims to provenance the one thing that they will never be good for.

Sims will never help with line, understanding your car, braking points, or in any way help with driving a fast lap time. Everything relating to cars handling and how to tackle a track in a sim is completely irrellevent in real life because you drive by feelings that you just dont get in a sim.

Where sims can help is in teaching you the one thing that is the same: How to race against other human brains. When you are battling for position against similarly paced opponents you can, in a sim, learn how to position your rival ontrack, when you come up to a back marker you can learn the judgement of when and how to pass. These things DIRECTLY port over to real racing, and there is an absolute bonafide 100% relationship between the two.

You'll never learn how to handle oversteer in a sim, or how to handle wet weather, or any other such related skill as when it happens for real it is REAL forces and feeling that you react too, and sims just dont give you that.

But sims can give you real thinking human opponents with a racing driver mindset on. League racing, therefor, or high level pickup racing, can give you valuable experience that you can use on the race track - but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with the quality of the simulation itself.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Where sims can help is in teaching you the one thing that is the same: How to race against other human brains. When you are battling for position against similarly paced opponents you can, in a sim, learn how to position your rival ontrack, when you come up to a back marker you can learn the judgement of when and how to pass. These things DIRECTLY port over to real racing, and there is an absolute bonafide 100% relationship between the two.

I am 50/50 there. Drivers can learn bad racing habits in sims as well as good ones. The racing in LFS and other sims isn't really the same as reality. There isn't that feel of pure brutality and aggression. But are not takling about contact racing, but there is a level of intensity in real racing tha translates to a different approach.

Also the only way sims could really be like real life is everytime you used it you had to spend £1000

So what would happend if somebuddy like me who isnt that good at setup making at al....

And just likes to have loads of realistic fun.
With a Driving force GT pinned to my desk and just a Ikea chair.
I know carppy setup I dont want to spend alot on my racing rig since IMO the chances of me getting into real racing are absolutely 0 nothing zero.

What would happend if they wpould give me some training not alot and lets say put me into a VLN 24 hours of Norschleife race??
In loike saw one of the slower clas cars it would be alot les hard in comparrison to putting me in a BMW m3 GTR?

I just cant realy see how i can be good at racing for sitting behind a pc monitor with a DFGT and a ikea chair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoB9EzL-KCM

If that was true, I should be able to set a 7:26 in a real ZR1 at the ring; which I doubt I'd do without taking some very advanced chemicals that reduce the 'fear' part of my brain into pulp..

But of course, I'd know the shift points, brake points, lines, and this is just a 'fairly' good 3d interpretation of the Ring, really not that good.

The part where simracing can teach, but doesn't have to, is in the driving style. For some reason in a sim people tend to be much more rude and abrupt with the inputs than you'd do in a real car. Perhaps its the G forces lacking in simracing but its not often true that she simracing driving style looks a lot like a real one..

Quote from Niels Heusinkveld :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoB9EzL-KCM

If that was true, I should be able to set a 7:26 in a real ZR1 at the ring; which I doubt I'd do without taking some very advanced chemicals that reduce the 'fear' part of my brain into pulp..

But of course, I'd know the shift points, brake points, lines, and this is just a 'fairly' good 3d interpretation of the Ring, really not that good.

The part where simracing can teach, but doesn't have to, is in the driving style. For some reason in a sim people tend to be much more rude and abrupt with the inputs than you'd do in a real car. Perhaps its the G forces lacking in simracing but its not often true that she simracing driving style looks a lot like a real one..

wait you have an Rf zr1 me wants.

But i stil think sim cant be compared to real life such as lack of feeling of g foces teh but feel of beighn in a actual car.