Hi guys,

I've reinstalled my system two days a go, downloaded the new 5.08 driver and installed it. Then I've noticed the strange behaviour and I just wasn't able to set it right.

Then, from the cockpit view, I've noticed that the wheel was responding with delay of about 0.2-0.3 sec (compering my wheel move to the wheel move ingame). I've tried every kind of setting, adjusted "Analogue steer smooth" to 0 and everything else, but no result.

Then, last nigh I uninstalled 5.08 and installed 5.02 that I was using before and it still responded with the same delay.

Tonight though, I tried the game and it was improved . Not that it was gone completely, but it turned back to delay of about 0.1 sec (as I had before the reinstalling Windows process). Since last night, I've downloaded and installed Windows updates, as usual when doing reinstalation process (don't know if that had any effects on the problem).

But now I'm curious... I want this delay to be gone forever, no matter how small it can be.

Does anyone know if this is the LFS settings problem, hardware problem or Windows problem? Did any of you have similar issues?

Tnx in advance


I'm currently running Windows XP SP2 (should be updated to SP3 throught Windows update).

EDIT:
The delay is not only present in wheel, but in pedals too

EDIT:
screenshot of my controls menu

I once tried some 'new' drivers, because I had lost my install CD which I got with the wheel at that moment and I noticed some problems.
I don't remember what problems I had, but it really bothered me, so I put myself up to task to find the lost CD and when I got it, it all worked as perfect as before.

This is the version my drivers and my profiler (TBH I don't use profiler for anything):
4.40.143.0 (23.4.2004)

And this is the version of my system:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional; Version 2002 (5.1.2600); Service Pack 2

Service Pack 3 just fails and I never upgrade or update my windows, I just update my ESET NOD32 Antivirus 4.0.314.0

What FPS are you getting? Anything below ~40 FPS will start to show noticable input lag.

hi, how do you get like you have brake and throtle in seperate axes?
my computer takes it as 1 axe
do you have your momo good plugged in, and how about the buttons on your keyboard, are they responding slow too, and the buttons on your momo

delay is nothin'....just wait till you steer too fast to correct a slide and your momo loses center by 90 degrees.....not fun.

@NIKI - I installed back 5.02 driver, which worked kinda well before, but it didn't help. It helped a bit only when Windows received some updates and I trully don't know if it improved for that or just "decided itself to improve"??? I've had this delay before too, but it just wasn't that much that I'm having now

@DaveWS - I get 70-80 fps usually. At SO it decreases to about 40.

@iklucas - Go to your profiler, then "Options/Global Device Settings" and uncheck the "Report combined pedal" box. My keyboard is working fine, I didn't check the response of buttons though, only the axes. I will test it tonight. Yes it's plugged well.

@z-ro 8 - I know, I've had that occasionaly as well. It helps to do the full turn opposite of the side where the wheel is facing more. But, trust me, SO chicane is just impossible to get fast with this problem. In fact, any time the car starting loosing control, the corection is quite a challange because it does reacts slow both at the begining and at the end of corection process. It comes up as late entry and late (and more than needed) exit of corection process.

Axis sensibility sliders could help in this problem maybe? But we don't have them at LFS yet, nor in Logitech profiler.

Thanks for trying to help, guys!

It is possible it could be a USB issue. If your wheel is plugged into the usb at the front, plug into the back, or at least a different port.

I've managed to do something to improve the situation. I've found axis sensitivity slider in Logitech Profiler.

But to be able to adjust them, one has to load the specific game (LFS in this case) from the "Select a game" menu in main Profiler menu. When that is set and only then, "Steering Whell" "Axis properties" became "alive". I've set the sensitivity to 100%, but now it requires additional settings in LFS "Steering" menu, because it then becomes so sensitive that if I move the wheel 1cm (0.4 inch), it moves the wheel ingame enough to make a 90 degree turn.

But it DOES help reducing the delay level though... it doesn't make it disapear completely, but it reduces is to more acceptable level.

@iklucas - buttons are working just fine, instant response bothe before and after the named changes I've made in the Profiler. Gear shifts, other buttons, everything works well but axes.

Quote from sermilan :

@NIKI - I installed back 5.02 driver...

I said my driver is 4.40.143.0 (23.4.2004)
but i dont think that is the cause of problems anyway

@Jason & SilverArrows - As you sugggested, I've just tried all of the USB ports that I have, but no change

@NIKI - I meant to say that I rolled back to me previous driver and it still was the same. However, I've tried to download 4.40.143.0, but I couldn't find it on the net (only driverguide who wants me to pay first).

Well... now it looks as if Profiler settings and "allow the game to adjust settings" from the profiler menu went in war at each other. Let me try to explain:

I've managed somehow to adjust the settings and started getting used to completely new wheel & cars behaviour that I was used to. Then... all of the sudden controls went completely wrong and I had to make a looot more physical move to make the car turn than before it. So it went like this at one race.
At the second race however... controls went back even further from as it were before and increased sensitivity so much that I didn't have to make more than 90 degree physical moves to be able to steer from completely right to completely left .

Then I shot down the Profiler. Sensitivity went low, not in terms of response, but in terms of physical to ingame moves. Then I turned it back on. Move sensitivity was on again

It's really weird, I don't know what to do now. Not ever turn on the Profiler and set the controls only in LFS to what it suits me or to play with Profiler and risk having sudden complete changes in control settings and car handling?

It appears that the Profiler and LFS have some kind of conflict... and it just makes me not wishing to play LFS . Getting angry with this...:chairs:

Uninstall profiler completely, reboot, then run lfs without it after changing the combined pedals etc in windows control panel.

I just did and it turns to be the least bad thing of all

I still have the delay but it's kinda of an acceptable level... Tnx Jason!

I'll try to make a short video, just to show what it actually is.

And here's how I finally got rid of this nasty headache:

After trying everything that came to my and your minds, I did one more thing after uninstalling the Profiler - ....... I extracted "Z to Z22" once more and had a fresh start with LFS..... and the delay was finaly gone!

Now, after having so much trouble with this I have drown a conclusion that might help some other drivers in the future who'll get stuck with this problem:

DO NOT INSTALL THE BLOODY LOGITECH PROFILER!!!!!
DO NOT INSTALL THE BLOODY LOGITECH PROFILER!!!!!
DO NOT INSTALL THE BLOODY LOGITECH PROFILER!!!!!

Simply plug your MOMO in, turn on LFS, go to Controler menu, set it as you like and just drive.



Thanks again, guys, for helping me resolving this problem!