I'm glad that S2 included many more cars and also that the VW Scirocco. The sim has a wide variety of cars. However I've been thinking about what style of car is missing from the sim.

We have several front wheel drive cars of different weights and power levels.
We have several rear wheel drive cars of different weights, engine locations, and power levels.
We have an all wheel drive car.
We have several different formula cars including a formula SAE car and F1 car and everything in between.
We have cars with many different suspension types.
We have cars with wings to provide down force or at least reduce lift and cars without wings at all.

However I noticed one style is missing. Its a style that has been in many forms of racing for a very long time. We don't have a solid axle front engined rear wheel drive car available in the sim. That style has been popular in various forms of racing Australia and North America for quite some time and also has seen some popularity in some European and worldwide series.
Anyone remember the old racing videos of the Mini Coopers and fiats racing against the 1960's Mustangs and Camaros? How about the Mustang winning the 1964 Tour de France international rally? The Australian Touring Car Championships in the 1970's had multiple wind by the Camaro. What about the Mustangs in the SCCA and Trans-Am series? What about the Mustangs in the IMSA GTO class and the SCCA Escort Endurance SSGT championship. The 24 hours of Daytona wins too! They also competed and won the Koni Challenge and Speed World Challenge GT Series. The Swedish Camaro Cup has been a popular series since the 1970's. The IMSA GT series is popular with the Camaro and Mustang. The Camaro was also the car used by the International Race of Champions for quite a few years. How about all those land speed records set by Camaros and Mustangs at the Bonneville Salt Flats over the years. They are also currently raced in the NASA American Iron series, which is quite popular. Also for you drift fans, the Mustang is a popular drift car. I haven't kept up with all of the Australian front engined, solid axle rear wheel drive cars over the years, but I remember some Ford and GM vehicles of that style being pretty popular in racing there in the past.
Also think of all the famous drivers that drove front engined rear wheel drive solid axle race cars. Parnelli Jones, Bob Johnson, Mark Donohue, Mickey Thompson, Roger Penske, Danny Ongais, Ray Brock, Bob Jane, George Follmer, Steve Saleen, and Lynn St. James just to name a few.

It would also add a new driving challenge because its a new style with different characteristics than the typical front engined rear wheel drive car with a 4 wheel independent suspension.

When I searched previous posts and about polls wanting a new type of car, I found that a V8 RWD sedan or coupe was pretty popular. Making it a solid axle V8 RWD car would make things new and interesting and also bring in a new style that has been popular in a wide variety of different forms of racing for many years.

Thats a good Sugetion and a well writen posten but on the other hand there is allready a tread made for car`s we want to see in lfs so next time post it there

Quote from Buzzn :

Thats a good Sugetion and a well writen posten but on the other hand there is allready a tread made for car`s we want to see in lfs so next time post it there

I've seen that thread and the RWD V8 solid axle cars were mentioned a few times, but I didn't see many people say why they want one in the sim.

I too your suggestion and added it there too.

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the 1970's had multiple wind by the Camaro.

That sounds really uncomfortable! Single wind is bad enough, but multiple must be sheer hell!

Quote from MudPuppy :

That sounds really uncomfortable! Single wind is bad enough, but multiple must be sheer hell!

V8 power!

Suggested Improvements Log

Read it and realize none of your ideas are new.

Quote from Forbin :

Suggested Improvements Log

Read it and realize none of your ideas are new.

The closest two entries I see are a "historic class" and "Old american muscle cars"

I wasn't limiting my suggestion to somehting based on the 1960's and 1970's models and would rather see soething a bit more modern.

Either an 80's or 90's model or better yet, soemthing based on the 2005 and up Mustang and 2010 camaro would be interesting. Maybe ~3500 lbs and about 300-350 horsepower with lots of torque. Of course all that power would be offset by the weight and possible the brakes along with a limit on tire size. Similar to what happens in some race series now where the modern pony cars are in the same class with cars like the Impreza WRX and Lancer Evo.

Also, Mustangs and Camaros and similar cars aren't muscle cars, they are pony cars which are typically smaller and ligher than muscle cars. Some consider pony cars a subset of muscle cars while others say they are a completely different class of car. For example the Impala, Chevelle, Road Runner, Charger, or Torino would be considered a muscle car. To use more mdoern cars as an example the 1996 Ipmpala SS and the more recent Mercury Marauder would be a muscle car while the newer Camaro and Mustang wouldn't. Then again, the new Camaro is so big nd bloated and heavy that its approachign on Muscle Car terrority. :doh:

Old american muscle car = big RWD with solid axle

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Then again, the new Camaro is so big nd bloated and heavy that its approachign on Muscle Car terrority. :doh:

This?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi ... 010ChevroletCamaro-05.jpg

I think the OP is speaking more along the lines of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDAK4jBKmow

Great Suggestion, would make for some interesting racing if there were the variations as seen in the video. If you suggest V8 live axle, then I suggest a carbed,2 litre live axle real wheel drive light weight car, something like...uuh I dunno, this? http://www.classicandperforman ... act/carspecs.php/?see=403

Quote from Forbin :

Old american muscle car = big RWD with solid axle

Which is not what most Camaros or Mustang or other pony cars are.

Quote from Shadowww :

This?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi ... 010ChevroletCamaro-05.jpg

Yea, they weigh about two tons. ~1800kg if my quick math is right.

Maybe bit more like this car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHEPbS9ZeU

ok its has been modified slightly from standard, but the engine-block itself is standard. Solid axle, engine in front, relatievely low weight(less then 1450kg).

Also nice vid showing tyres in lfs are currently too fragile. But that should be fixd with the physics update(i hope).

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Which is not what most Camaros or Mustang or other pony cars are.

They had/have RWD and solid rear axles in most of their models (barring the newest Camaro and some Mustangs), do they not?

Execellent post,excellent idea, and excellent writing. I really think that this idea should become a reallity in LFS, because like he said, it is really the only thing LFS is missing. I personnally think this is a great idea and it should, like i said, become a reallity.

zay

Quote from Forbin :

They had/have RWD and solid rear axles in most of their models (barring the newest Camaro and some Mustangs), do they not?

I think you are completely missing the point. Camaros/Mustangs/other pony cars are not big RWD cars. Yes, most have solid axles and some models have had an IRS since the 1990's. However they are not muscle cars/big RWD cars.

They're big RWD cars in comparison to a Lotus Seven, Honda S2000, Nissan 240SX, and BMW E30, and they have solid axles.

You seem to be caught up in the semantics of pony car vs. muscle car.

OMG y not just add a dedicated rally car since there is already dedicated road cars

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They're big RWD cars in comparison to a Lotus Seven, Honda S2000, Nissan 240SX, and BMW E30, and they have solid axles.

* In comparsion to Westfield Megabusa.

Fixed.

Caterham Sevens and the Westfield Megabusa are based on the Lotus Seven.

Quote from Forbin :

Caterham Sevens and the Westfield Megabusa are based on the Lotus Seven.

Which is based on the LX4 platform

Quote from SidiousX :

Which is based on the LX4 platform

Quote from Forbin :

They're big RWD cars in comparison to a Lotus Seven, Honda S2000, Nissan 240SX, and BMW E30, and they have solid axles.

And most of the cars you mentioned are not solid axle cars or aren't commonly found in solid axle versions.

Quote from Forbin :

You seem to be caught up in the semantics of pony car vs. muscle car.

That's because you said before:

Quote from Forbin :

Old american muscle car = big RWD with solid axle

Which is NOT the type of car I was describing.

They are not "historic class" and "Old american muscle cars" especially if you want the developers of the game to use most of their current suspension designs and development. Most of the solid axle pony cars form the late 70's and early 80's on up use shocks and springs and/or struts and springs. There would be no work needed for leaf spring suspension development and all the different work that would go with it in addition to the solid rear axle.