Just recently I've been getting anoyed with some racers who just take no notice of blue flags. They carry on with the blue flag message pasted across their screen like they're on a sunday drive.

My suggestion is an optional time limit in the server config for the amount of time a blue flag is shown to someone before they are removed. If they don't yield within the set time limit they are moved to spectators or pits, to move them out of the way and/or race for disregarding the blue flags.

Has it occured to you that you have to overtake them, not them get out of your way?

Quote from tristancliffe :

Has it occured to you that you have to overtake them, not them get out of your way?

Nope. The onus is on the driver about to be lapped.

The driver being shown the blue flag does not need to do anything to move out of the way until the lapping driver makes a pass, in which case the flagged driver should willingly yield instead of driving defensively or racing the passing driver.

With the exception that if there is a long twisty section ahead during which the passing driver will catch the passee, it makes sense to slow down a bit on the straight and letting the pass take place there instead of risking getting driven over in the upcoming section.

Not hard, really.

Looks like your where you need to be anyway.

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Quote from NotAnIllusion :

The driver being shown the blue flag does not need to do anything to move out of the way until the lapping driver makes a pass, in which case the flagged driver should willingly yield instead of driving defensively or racing the passing driver.

With the exception that if there is a long twisty section ahead during which the passing driver will catch the passee, it makes sense to slow down a bit on the straight and letting the pass take place there instead of risking getting driven over in the upcoming section.

Not hard, really.

+1 very good description, share your oppinion...

I let the lappers come about into "strike distance" then i let them easily pass. Sometimes this never happens and the lapper makes a "spin" (mistake), poor guy...

I was a little confused about Blue Flags recently- one post I read here said "Hold your line and let them pass". Of course, drivers behind me on the same line didn't make any attempt to pass and then moaned about it. So now I slow down and change my line just to be safe.

Quote from TiJay :

I was a little confused about Blue Flags recently- one post I read here said "Hold your line and let them pass". Of course, drivers behind me on the same line didn't make any attempt to pass and then moaned about it. So now I slow down and change my line just to be safe.

I think you'll find there is no perfect way. There will always be people who'll say moving off the line and slowing down is the right way, and those who think holding line and not doing anything unpredictable is the way to go. Do your best, if your intention is good it's good enough for most (I think).

Quote from duke_toaster :

Nope. The onus is on the driver about to be lapped.

No it isn't. Go on an MSA training day if you want to find out the real meaning of flags. The person posting beneath you has it spot on. It's up to the faster driver to pass. A blue flag simply means "warning, faster driver approaching", a driver only gets penalised if they try to stop the faster driver from passing.

Quote from TiJay :

I was a little confused about Blue Flags recently- one post I read here said "Hold your line and let them pass". Of course, drivers behind me on the same line didn't make any attempt to pass and then moaned about it. So now I slow down and change my line just to be safe.

You see "your line" and the "race line" must become different upon entering a turn. If you are on the race line before a turn (the outside), you need to stay on the outside thru the turn as opposed to taking the race line toward the apex. That gives the overtaker the oportunity to take the inside, you both have no choice but to slow down at that point to make it thru the turn succesfully and yes the passer needs to get off the "race line" exiting the turn until he has cleared the passed car.

On a longer straight you need to hold your line even if its the race line, because the passing driver needs to know where you are going to be as he approaches you. He does'nt need to second guess you as he is about to make the pass. And furthermore, he may choose to use your draft to aid in his attemp to pass.

An exception to the rule where "it is up to the faster driver to pass" is if it is a "mid race join" situation. If you midrace join OR shift-S to pits and reenter the track, then you should be moving out of the way as soon as you see "blue flag" as you do not have the right to the racetrack from taking yourself out of the race. At this point, I feel you should even shift-S and restart your "practice" or move over into the grass well ahead of seeing the fast car approaching.

I think whoever getting the blue flag should disconnect.

Quote from mrodgers :

An exception to the rule where "it is up to the faster driver to pass" is if it is a "mid race join" situation. If you midrace join OR shift-S to pits and reenter the track, then you should be moving out of the way as soon as you see "blue flag" as you do not have the right to the racetrack from taking yourself out of the race. At this point, I feel you should even shift-S and restart your "practice" or move over into the grass well ahead of seeing the fast car approaching.

Agreed

Quote from Moonclaw :

I think whoever getting the blue flag should disconnect.

illepall

Tried to pass a guy behind a lap today, he didn't even budge so i tried to pass him on the outside (LX4 vs. his FXO) but that ended catastrophically. FE Gold, second to last corner before the long straight (bridge), hit the wall becuase i got on sand, destroyed the car, etc.

Quote from Beasty :

Just recently I've been getting anoyed with some racers who just take no notice of blue flags. They carry on with the blue flag message pasted across their screen like they're on a sunday drive.

My suggestion is an optional time limit in the server config for the amount of time a blue flag is shown to someone before they are removed. If they don't yield within the set time limit they are moved to spectators or pits, to move them out of the way and/or race for disregarding the blue flags.

You obviously never raced in a league... Many times during a league race I got a blue flag for some LAPS before the lapping driver was near enough to let him pass me because the times were almost even...

Just to add another point why there SHOULDN'T be any changes...

Quote from bbman :

You obviously never raced in a league... Many times during a league race I got a blue flag for some LAPS before the lapping driver was near enough to let him pass me because the times were almost even...

Just to add another point why there SHOULDN'T be any changes...

I agree, this has nothing to do with adding game features, instead I think this is from driver errors, both the passer and the person being passed. Maybe it would be a good idea to put these types of situations into training missions? At least then there is a chance that more people will catch on how to be lapped, and lap people.

When I am lapped, no matter if I started the race or not I give the passer the racing line and I let him pass well before a corner. I do this when the person is close enough to me that he/she would have to slow down for me in one or two corners if I didn't move off the track. Maybe you dont have to give the track up when your being lapped per the rules, but the unwritten rules of driver courtesy I think says something about it in there

I for one do not like being held up because someone thinks they can race a faster car, in most lapping cases considerably faster. These usually end up in crashes because the person being lapped is not used to the faster pace of the person lapping and generally the person being lapped drives very irregular and causes an accident with the passer, causing bad feelings.

Changing lines is not a good idea when letting people past, it can result in a crash when people miss-understand what you are doing.

There should be no time limit on blue flags because a computer can't determine what is happening properly. I've seen me doing a mid-race join and found myself coming out about half a second ahead of someone else. Instantly I was able to pull away so didn't let him past. How could a computer tell that the time limit was broke for a reason ?

Keiran

Blue Flag = move out of the way for drivers lapping you.. simple.. move out of the way none of this "they shouldnt have to move out of their way" etc

its there for a reason.. it pisses me off when ppl decide that its up to you to go down the inside to pass them therefor having a slower line into the corner which helps the 2nd place dude or what ever..

Quote from Munza :

Blue Flag = move out of the way for drivers lapping you.. simple.. move out of the way none of this "they shouldnt have to move out of their way"

Sorry, but blue flag rules do not say to move over. Neither are you required to "get out of their way". You must yield, usually on a straight section of track, by allowing them to overtake.

My point is mate, it comes down to commonsense.. like if your about to be lapped by someone who is clearly doing 3-5 seconds a lap faster then yourself, and the big blue flag is in your middle of the screen.. are you gonna just sit there on the racing line holding them up when its not for position?

Commonsense mate

Coming from a flagger, the general interpretation(Read:interpretation, not definite answer.) is that the slower car is not required to get out of the way. It is up to the passing car to ensure a safe pass.

Quote from oompaloompafive7 :

Coming from a flagger, the general interpretation(Read:interpretation, not definite answer.) is that the slower car is not required to get out of the way. It is up to the passing car to ensure a safe pass.

So why is it that in Formula 1 you better get off the line as soon as you get the change, or else you risk a drive through or stop and go?

Quote from Darkone55 :

So why is it that in Formula 1 you better get off the line as soon as you get the change, or else you risk a drive through or stop and go?

It differs between racing disciplines, F1 is most likely like that for 'safety reasons' :rolleyes:

In GTR racing the driver being lapped is meant to hold the normal racing line, and its up to the lapper to make a clean pass. This shouldn't affect the gap between 1st and 2nd, as the situation will be the same for all drivers.

I think you just have to keep your racing line, and if the car behind is a lot faster, just slow bit down, use your indicators to let the guy know where to pass. I thought this thread was about the blue flag being there for too long. I have no trouble when I get a blue flag, it just gets annoying if the guy just doesn't pass me, or it takes a long time and it keeps telling me I got a blue flag.