Well it's impossible to actually know if we do a head count, but within the industry Hamilton is number 1 atm.
Well it's impossible to actually know if we do a head count, but within the industry Hamilton is number 1 atm.
Vettel will be in contension this season too if he gets a good car.
he had a good car this year!
You reckon? He's barely half as complete as Alonso.
Edit: Within the industry. Ha ha ha!
He's barely half as complete as Alonso?
1, He beat Alonso who at the time was expected to THRASH him. beat him, finished ahead of him, was better!
2. He's won a WDC
3. He's won in and helped developed a shit car
What more does he exactly need to do? What has Alonso done that Hamilton hasn't?
Alonso is an absolutely superb driver but to call Hamilton only half as complete as him is the funniest thing I have ever heard!
except for the engine
and yea Mercedes full german then
with nico rosberg and probably heidfeld
alonso, vettel and hamilton, in this order
(my opinion)
after them, rosberg, kimi and button
edit: forgot about the drunk
let me bei a bit picky here...
but Alonso won two Drivers Champion, which Hamilton hasn't done yet~
and let see what Hamilton done that Alonso hasn't~?
1. bin it into the gravel trap heading into the pit.
2. throwing it away at the last lap while being 3rd, which nearly cost McLaren a few millions of TV-revenue sharing cos without this, McLaren would've been way in front of Ferrari in the constructors rather than beating them by just one point.
I do agree that Lewis has beaten Alonso in the same machinery, hence should probably be the faster driver. As for the most complete driver on the grid, I think we have a different opinion/criteria as to who is better~
and I also not like Alonso cos of his off-track behaviour.
So Hamilton not pushing at Nurburgring was criticised because it was seen as 'giving up' but then pushing 100% up until the chequered flag is careless. I see a pattern forming. In fact that crash at monxa improved Hamilton's reputation. And if Hamilton had drove like a pussy all year (like you suggest) they may have not even been in an opportunity to grab 3rd int he constructors. The crash is a consequence of pushing hard, but the pushing hard was what gave them 3rd in he constructors.
Schumacher/Senna/Alonso have all binned it and have done stupid arse things - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXAgPASHJI and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... n96hY&feature=related - casing point.
We can argue who is better between Hamilton and Alonso but to say no one is near Alonso is hilarious considering he has been beat... in the same car... by a rookie.
lol I think there has been some misunderstanding here, I meant that I dont like Alonso just because I am spanish, but because he is a great driver, just like many people outside Spain
, even though some individuals are too blind to see that, like Intrepid.Funnily enough most people around here do not dislike Hamilton's character. I personally love to have him on the grid, makes for a good show, sometimes racing related, sometimes mess-up related, but equally entertaining
So because Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car, despite Hamilton being given preferential treatment (don't pretend he wasn't), that makes Hamilton the better driver overall?
Alonso is more consistent, more adaptable, just as quick (speed being, as you well know, only a small factor of being a driver), more intelligent and, when he needs to be, feistier.
Alonso is more consistent, more adaptable, just as quick (speed being, as you well know, only a small factor of being a driver), more intelligent and, when he needs to be, feistier.
? Read my posts please
More wood to the fire! I bet that according to your sources the team was 100% unbiased when Alonso was in McLaren right?
Hamilton was a rookie! He beat a 2x WDC in the same car. A rookie, a noob! Just look at how all the other rookies recently have dealt with F1. It only highlights how good Hamilton was in 2007.
Anyone that says he got preferential treatment is deluded. He certainly had a better relationship with the team, but Alonso as a racing driver FAILED at bonding with the team. In terms of equipment they had the same machinery. . Part of being a racing driver is maintaining team relationships and not throwing your dolls out because some nobody is beating you.
Alonso had the equipment and resources to win the 2007 title. He failed as much as anyone else. Fuji 2007 another example. That crash cost him the title and his attitude cost him a run at the WDC for 2 years straight at renault.
Alonso admitted himself he wasn't the quickest driver in F1, and after leaving McLaren stated he didn't get worse gear than Hamilton.
T1 Australia 2007 race start tells you EVERYTHING you need to know. Hamilton was smart enough to know that if you want to make your mark in F1 you can't sit around trying to learn and develop from your more experienced team mate. You've got to get in and freakin' deliver day 1! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ZGg3j4nQI nuff said really in his first f1 race!!! no more needs to be said
Alonso (who I would liek to state is VERY VERY good) and Hamilton are the two best drivers in f1 right now, but to state Alonso is on another planet is dumb
Nobody seems to miss racing with me though do they?
Tried my DFP the other day and the accelerator is really jumpy all of a sudden, made driving the LXs a bit unpleasant, don't think I'll be back on track any time soon.
Edit: Alan shut the **** up please, we know you've had Hamilton up the Gary, you've told us already.
A rookie a couple of seasons worth of testing mileage?
Anyone who says he didn't get preferential treatment is deluded. Sure, Alonso didn't gel with the team, but with Ron's secret love child in the other car it was a bigger mountain to climb than he expected.
So Kimi is better than all of them? He beat them both, so must be better.
Hamilton pulled a good move in Aussie T1, but with tens of thousands of miles behind him it wasn't that surprising really. I think Villeneuve did a better job on his debut with less testing, and coming from a very different automotive beast.
in which sentence did I suggest he should drive like a pussy all year~?
are you seeing something that I havn't typed~?
even Lewis after the race admited that he learnt from that "mistake" and would know when to push and when to consolidate, or something along those lines, forgot the exact quote...
ALL the other rookies~?
Vettel also did a brilliant job on his debut season, just that he didn't have the fastest car on the grid, which Lewis had...
Kobayashi also managed to beat his much more experienced teammate in his second race after not having done much testing, if any.
Hamilton is a brilliant driver no doubt about it, but isn't exactly more superior than all others neither.
Just to remind you guys, Hamilton did beat Alonso when they were team mates but he didn't humiliate him like some of you make it out. I mean they finished with the same amount of points.
I think Alonso and Hamilton are the two best drivers in F1 right now (Alonso being slightly better imho). If they both get good cars then the next season could be very interesting.
I think Alonso and Hamilton are the two best drivers in F1 right now (Alonso being slightly better imho). If they both get good cars then the next season could be very interesting.
In 2007 Kimi did get lucky, but I would say that year he did a better job overall. i do have some suspicions about how the year ended though, but Kimi deserved the title that year.
In 1996 Villeneuve (who had raced under pressure already in his career) sat in an extremely dominant car, and as high as I regard Damon Hill he isn't anywhere near the quality of someone like Alonso.
No one in McLaren expected Hamilton to do anywhere near that well. I remember speaking to one Mclaren engineer in 04/05 saying they should put Hamilton in the car ASAP and I was laughed at. The suggestion of a rookie getting a race drive straight away!!! Hamilton gave McLaren a huge headache because he wasn't expected to be anywhere near Alonso. Alonso was supposed to be the number 1, Hamilton didn't allow that to happen. If being a racing driver is about getting the team around you focussing on winning then he was better at it than Alonso.
I guess watching how Alonso manipulated Renault to work in his favour he must have learnt a lot from the master.
The problem with all this comes down to how do you truely compare skill when one driver could be in a quicky car, a car they is easier to drive or even recently cars under different regualtions. Depends how you decided 'the best'. Taking Hamilton and Alonso: Hamitlon beat Alonso in the same machinery so Hamilton is better. But Alonso has won 2 WDC's to Hamiltons 1 WDC so Alonso is better. Hamilton has done better sooner in F1 than Alonso - Hamilton is better. Alonso hasn't made so many high profile mistakes so back to Alonso. Its all to subjective as people use personal opinions also. I think you can sum it up with - There's lies, damn lies and statistics.
Edit: Will also add. To be in Formula you have to be the best of the best of the best of the best. There is such a small margin between the top drivers in F1, is it really worth all this lol.
Edit: Will also add. To be in Formula you have to be the best of the best of the best of the best. There is such a small margin between the top drivers in F1, is it really worth all this lol.
Yap, 100% true, he got hit lesson
Still, great drive imo :PWell year, but it was still one of the better cars surely? Although perhaps not so much when the race was hot.
Mclaren plan to go it alone engine wise after a few years, whether they actually do though... :mischievo
IMO Hamilton is the hare and Alonso the tortoise, Hamilton is probrably faster than Alonso on average, but slow and steady wins the race. :rolleyes:
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That last arguement about Hamilton and Alonso kinda highlights how much people just hate Hamilton (and alan for that matter). I don't recall him ever actually saying Hamilton was better, just that Alonso wasn't miles ahead. It's a valid point to make imo.
Alonso raced against the (statistically, and imho ) the best driver formula 1 has ever seen. Michael Schumacher.
what is better is that, alonso, he won both of his titles when the kaiser was still in a racing car, while hamilton won his title racing against felipe baby....
and yeah
Schumacher/Alonso/Kimi/Vettel
then
Massa/Hatemelol/button
Alonso and Shumacher in 06 had different cars though and personally i think the renault was a bit better that year.
Kimi is ok but not worth what he thinks he is and i would struggle to say he is in the top 5 current f1 drivers.
Alonso, hasn't faired that well in 09 due to a disasteriously slow renault, maybe that will hurt hes motivation a bit for 2010, him and massa will make an intresting battle i would think.
Hamilton imo is probably just the best driver on the grid currently, with Alonso or Vettel behind him.
Mercedes take ownership of Brawn
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